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Posted on 10/18/16 at 8:50 pm to Winston Cup
Spoiler alert. Still haven't proposed.
C'mon man... Have you followed any of this thread. I'm legally divorced. We are talking about church nullification here.
C'mon man... Have you followed any of this thread. I'm legally divorced. We are talking about church nullification here.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 8:51 pm to Jorts R Us
I per-ciate it bruh. 
Posted on 10/18/16 at 8:54 pm to Scooba
It can't be THAT hard. A guy from my parish had 6 kids and was married for something like 33 years and managed to get an annulment.
Al Copeland was on his 4th wife when he died. 1st marriage was in the Catholic Church, but his ex died after he divorced her, so that one was off the books. The 2nd (I think, maybe 3rd) was a civil ceremony, so the church didn't count it. When he married the 4th, he not only got an annulment, but got married at St. Louis Cathedral. (I may have the sequence a little confused, but it's at least reasonably accurate.)
I'm sure consideration was given to his community service work, delicious chicken and generous donation.
I'd think it would be much easier since you don't have any children from the marriage. If you weren't married very long, that'll make it much simpler as well.
Al Copeland was on his 4th wife when he died. 1st marriage was in the Catholic Church, but his ex died after he divorced her, so that one was off the books. The 2nd (I think, maybe 3rd) was a civil ceremony, so the church didn't count it. When he married the 4th, he not only got an annulment, but got married at St. Louis Cathedral. (I may have the sequence a little confused, but it's at least reasonably accurate.)
I'm sure consideration was given to his community service work, delicious chicken and generous donation.
I'd think it would be much easier since you don't have any children from the marriage. If you weren't married very long, that'll make it much simpler as well.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 8:54 pm to Scooba
I didn't go through it all no. But I would assume you could just bribe the church if they are catholic. Skip all the bs. Just slip the priest a couple g's on the low. Maybe find out where he plays golf on the weekdays, and bump into him.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 8:54 pm to Scooba
My old boss had to get an annulment in BR. It was hard for her because her ex (who had an affair and left her for the mistress) didn't want to sign the annulment papers.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 9:00 pm to tigerbandpiccolo
I've read that it can be done with 1 party. I'm afraid that our sides of the story differ greatly. She may agree to say that she isn't Catholic and it should be nullified but I seriously doubt she admits what she did and makes it an easy case.
We have agreed to disagree for years and the thing I'm worried about most is digging it up again. I would feel better though knowing it's annulled.
We have agreed to disagree for years and the thing I'm worried about most is digging it up again. I would feel better though knowing it's annulled.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 9:00 pm to Scooba
Technically if you read the bible the only grounds for divorce is adultry. When you and your wife were married in the sight of God you became one flesh. That bond can only be broken in death or adultery. No amount of money or person can change that other wise.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 9:04 pm to White Roach
Popeyes biscuits are a gift to the community and I can understand why his situation could be persuaded because of them. 
Posted on 10/18/16 at 9:06 pm to Mud_Till_May
Then all I have to do is convince her to admit it.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 9:06 pm to White Roach
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Al Copeland was on his 4th wife when he died. 1st marriage was in the Catholic Church, but his ex died after he divorced her, so that one was off the books. The 2nd (I think, maybe 3rd) was a civil ceremony, so the church didn't count it. When he married the 4th, he not only got an annulment, but got married at St. Louis Cathedral. (I may have the sequence a little confused, but it's at least reasonably accurate.)
Correct. The sequence was as follows:
Married wife #1
Divorced 1
Married 2 (civil marriage because the Church considered the first marriage to still be intact)
Divorced 2
Married 3 (civil)
Divorced 3
Wife 1 died, making him free to marry in the Church
Married 4 at St. Louis Cathedral.
The Church considers the sequence to be married 1, 1 died, married 2.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 9:09 pm to Scooba
You better hope she did because god will judge you not the pope.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 9:09 pm to Scooba
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Then all I have to do is convince her to admit it.
If you have evidence independent of her admission, you can use it.
Adultery isn't grounds for an annulment, but it can be used to support a claim that she entered into the marriage with no intention of honoring her vows. In which case the marriage was never valid.
A consummated marriage can't be dissolved. An annulment is a finding that the marriage was never valid.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 9:14 pm to Mud_Till_May
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God will judge you not the pope
I'm pretty sure 13 years of Catholic education taught me that the pope is infallible. Maybe he will allow it.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 9:25 pm to Scooba
I went thru the annulment process and my first marriage was declared to be invalid thru ligamen and I could then marry my current wife in the Catholic Church. Before the ligamen was "approved", I did have to respond to a huge questionnaire and appear before the Tribunal.
Questionnaire required me to dredge up many painful memories from my 1st marriage, but I complied and completed it. The Tribunal, on the other hand, completely pissed me off and was the primary reason why I didn't join the Catholic Church for over 10 years after my marriage. One priest didn't show up to the Tribunal meeting, and one that did was such an arrogant prick, my blood still boils when I think of him.
Fortunately, our parish priest fought hard for the ligamen and we were ultimately married in the Church.
Long story short, consult with the parish priest. See if your fiancée's first marriage could be declared invalid and be granted ligamen. Otherwise, be prepared for a fairly lengthy and difficult process, but the process does vary from diocese to diocese.
My experience was over 10 years ago and with the BR Diocese.
Questionnaire required me to dredge up many painful memories from my 1st marriage, but I complied and completed it. The Tribunal, on the other hand, completely pissed me off and was the primary reason why I didn't join the Catholic Church for over 10 years after my marriage. One priest didn't show up to the Tribunal meeting, and one that did was such an arrogant prick, my blood still boils when I think of him.
Fortunately, our parish priest fought hard for the ligamen and we were ultimately married in the Church.
Long story short, consult with the parish priest. See if your fiancée's first marriage could be declared invalid and be granted ligamen. Otherwise, be prepared for a fairly lengthy and difficult process, but the process does vary from diocese to diocese.
My experience was over 10 years ago and with the BR Diocese.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 9:36 pm to Scooba
Why exactly do you need this?
Posted on 10/18/16 at 9:42 pm to djangochained
I don't NEED it. Just like a sick person doesn't need the anointing of the sick. But I'm a faithful person and I choose to go for it because it will make me feel better.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 9:44 pm to Skeet Mc
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Questionnaire required me to dredge up many painful memories from my 1st marriage...
Be absolutely prepared for this. You will also have to ask witnesses (I think it is two) to participate in the process via questionnaire. You may or may not have a face to face with a member of the tribunal or a representative thereof - depends on how "difficult" the case is. Also, your ex-spouse is able to see your submission, and is able for a period of time to comment if he/she desires. Priority is indeed given to those wanting to marry a catholic spouse in the church, or those going through RCIA.
You need a priest that is a strong advocate that will help you with the process and hopefully has some experience with the process. He would be the one who can help push it along.
I think it is around $400, but I know that in this diocese, during this Year of Mercy (proclaimed by Pope Francis) the fee is waived if the application reaches the desk of the tribunal during this calendar year. Can't speak for other diocese, but I know this to be true in mine, because the Monsignor mentions this little fact each mass.
Good luck. There will be many on here that will say it is stupid or a waste of time and/or money, but if you want to be a fully participating Catholic it is a necessary process.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 9:45 pm to BigPapiDoesItAgain
Thank you.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 10:23 pm to Scooba
quote:
I don't NEED it. Just like a sick person doesn't need the anointing of the sick. But I'm a faithful person and I choose to go for it because it will make me feel better.
I'm confused, what is the reason your getting divorced for?
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