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re: How dynamics of the average US household changed since the 60s
Posted on 4/3/25 at 9:16 am to RaoulDuke504
Posted on 4/3/25 at 9:16 am to RaoulDuke504
IQ is a poor substitute for a value system. And watching organized religion sit it out as it all comes crumbling down is nothing less than an indictment of their responsibility as well.
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Posted on 4/3/25 at 9:17 am to bamameister
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And watching organized religion
Organized religion is just as morally rotted out as the rest of American society
Posted on 4/3/25 at 9:20 am to GetCocky11
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Organized religion is just as morally rotted out as the rest of American society
Yes, but they went first. Cause and effect.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 9:21 am to Jon Ham
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The “comfort” of not having children, be it financial comfort, free time comfort, low stress comfort, is nothing compared to the joys of parenthood. None of that comfort is worth it.
Warren Beatty once said: One of the nice things God does, is that he doesn't let people who don't have kids know what they're missing
as much as I get frustrated, tried or see my bank account disappear as a parent. When my wife takes the kids to her parents or whatever, i sit around wondering what the hell to do with my time. I look back at my life pre-kids and wonder how I wasted so much time
That said, i would love to get a few more rounds of golf in or spend more time at the gym.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 9:21 am to RaoulDuke504
I'm 60-ish. I know several guys from my generation who got married and decided to have fun and things rather than kids. They all deeply regret it now. It's something you can't unfrick.
Perhaps even more sadly, I know some high quality guys who either never met the right girl, or the "right" girl decided career was more important than marriage and family. The women who went that route are at the crazy old cat lady stage of denial, the men are still having some fun, but wish they had some kids.
Perhaps even more sadly, I know some high quality guys who either never met the right girl, or the "right" girl decided career was more important than marriage and family. The women who went that route are at the crazy old cat lady stage of denial, the men are still having some fun, but wish they had some kids.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 9:38 am to RaoulDuke504
Most surprising part is the Married with no kids number actually slightly decreased.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 9:42 am to RaoulDuke504
In B4 it's the Booker's fault.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 9:47 am to RaoulDuke504
This commercial is what they want. Completely castrated men staying at home and being the mother to the kid. Then the breadwinner wife who wears the pants shows up after she gets home from work and decides it's time to have sex. The twinkletoes eunuch prances after her like an excited puppy about to piddle on the floor.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 9:50 am to RaoulDuke504
Interesting. How's Israel doing?
Posted on 4/3/25 at 9:57 am to GetCocky11
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What the chart tells me is that people just aren't having kids anymore.
That's not how social science works. You identify correlations and use explanatory frameworks to draw conclusions about them.
People "just not having kids" is a social change, and we need to have a robust investigation into why because societies that experience sub-replacement fertility typically decline.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 10:00 am to Deuces
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I’ll throw porn, abortion, and the sex industry in there, too
All of those are controlled exclusively by one group in America and it isn't the Muslims
Posted on 4/3/25 at 10:01 am to RaoulDuke504
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People aren’t having kids because it’s too damn expensive
Of the couples I know with no kids it’s not the cost, it’s they’re too self absorbed to consider doing something that alters their lifestyle.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 10:03 am to MMauler
quote:and the Republicans are better?
Everything the Democrats touch turns to sh!t.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 10:04 am to SquatchDawg
quote:same here.
Of the couples I know with no kids it’s not the cost, it’s they’re too self absorbed to consider doing something that alters their lifestyle.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 10:04 am to RaoulDuke504
This is a direct result of houses that now cost 7x what average salary is compared to 70s-90s where it was just 3x average salary. You now have to work 4x harder to get a house. Who can afford a kid with that? Boomer greed has cost us all.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 10:26 am to GetCocky11
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Organized religion is just as morally rotted out as the rest of American society
Exactly, and that has driven a lot of people away.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 10:26 am to Oilfieldbiology
Quantity decline is depicted in chart. Worse is the quality decline that is not depicted in chart.
Money aside, outsourcing the ‘raising’ of your child the majority of most weeks has more costs to family than just money.
Throw in the parents who also hit the gym after work, have date nights, travel overnight days at a time for their jobs…or parents who are not “present” when they are present (thinking about work while at the kids’ soccer game, for example).
Many kids are getting parent scraps at best.
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Having to pay someone to constantly watch your kid...
Money aside, outsourcing the ‘raising’ of your child the majority of most weeks has more costs to family than just money.
Throw in the parents who also hit the gym after work, have date nights, travel overnight days at a time for their jobs…or parents who are not “present” when they are present (thinking about work while at the kids’ soccer game, for example).
Many kids are getting parent scraps at best.
This post was edited on 4/3/25 at 10:27 am
Posted on 4/3/25 at 10:59 am to Jon Ham
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i went to my sister in laws small Super Bowl party this year where our kid was the only kid. There were 3 other couples in their low to mid 30’s, none with kids. To me it seems strange to not want kids, to not have kids around at this stage of life. The “comfort” of not having children, be it financial comfort, free time comfort, low stress comfort, is nothing compared to the joys of parenthood. None of that comfort is worth it.
It's all perspective. My wife and I look at our peers with kids and, despite all of them saying they are happy, every one of them are constantly complaining about how hard it is and how miserable they are. The women's bodies are permanently fricked and their careers are stunted. The men now have an additional mouth to feed with less income, but working more is not an option because then he's not pulling his weight around the house/with the kid. Their marriage falls apart and if they are lucky, they can stay roommates for 18 years when the kid moves out, and then they can try loving each other again. Neither have slept a solid 8 hours in years, never mind sleeping in on the weekend. They give the kids to the grandparents whenever they can, but then feel guilty the whole time. Saving any meaningful amount of money is difficult when it is constantly being spent on the kid's needs. Retirement is likely not an option. They stop existing as individuals and now their entire lives are dedicated to raising a human who will one day say "I hate you". Retirement homes are full of people who had kids so there is someone to take care of them later in life.
Kids are great and people who want to/can raise them properly should continue having kids. But if you put it on a pro/con list, having kids is a terrible decision. We're happy to stay the fun aunt/uncle.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 11:09 am to SquatchDawg
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Of the couples I know with no kids it’s not the cost, it’s they’re too self absorbed to consider doing something that alters their lifestyle.
You're right. I want to spend a day on the lake instead of a birthday party where everyone cries. I want to go on a fun date with my wife instead of arguing about who will cook and who will help with homework. I want to try a new hobby instead of trying to get a toddler to eat a chicken nugget. That's just plain selfishness.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 11:17 am to HeckIt
The urge to procreate and nurture one's young is a basic biological drive necessary for the perpetuation of a species. To desire otherwise is an anomaly and should not be encouraged.
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