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re: How do feel about Maternity and Paternity Leave
Posted on 8/10/16 at 12:07 pm to BulldogXero
Posted on 8/10/16 at 12:07 pm to BulldogXero
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If I am a young woman, I'm probably not working for a company that does not offer paid maternity leave unless there are a lot of other benefits.
Good luck in this country. Too many people feel like DupontsCircle currently for young women to be that selective at the beginning of their careers.
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Posted on 8/10/16 at 12:15 pm to LNCHBOX
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Too many people feel like DupontsCircle currently for young women to be that selective at the beginning of their careers.
Most women I know work for companies offering paid maternity leave, but the job market is bad for everyone not just women. My point is that even if a woman begins her career in a business that doesn't offer paid maternity, she can start looking for a place that does from day one of her employment while collecting a paycheck from her current job.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 12:16 pm to Peazey
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Do you think that women have both the right to work and the right to have children?
Do I think it's a RIGHT? No. I think women have the capacity to do both and they should have the option to do both. But I do not agree with mandates.
Women do not have any more of a right to have children than men do to father them.
Mandates will have unintended consequences. Including using the word "right" as a reason to mandate paying for adoption or fertility services. Mandates should be used when companies are doing things that are illegal or harmful not because someone feels like they deserve more.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 12:18 pm to LNCHBOX
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Good luck in this country. Too many people feel like DupontsCircle currently for young women to be that selective at the beginning of their careers.
The beginning isn't the problem. It's that healthy middle.
I also do not believe in discrimination- I've always hired the best qualified employee- but this is a difficult obstacle to deal with for startups and I'm sympathetic to smaller businesses having to carry that burden. I think that's something to recognize.
And if we want to expand the conversation...I find non-married people work harder and longer hours and overall perform better at work.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 12:18 pm to DupontsCircle
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I also do not believe in discrimination
Your earlier posts beg to differ.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 12:19 pm to LNCHBOX
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Your earlier posts beg to differ.
Me earlier posts amused myself and built a conversation.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 12:23 pm to DupontsCircle
Right, the whole board lights you up, so you were just kidding. Any other clichés you want to post?
Posted on 8/10/16 at 12:25 pm to LNCHBOX
This is why you don't hire women of child bearing age
Posted on 8/10/16 at 12:27 pm to DupontsCircle
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Me earlier posts amused myself and built a conversation.
So would you hire a woman who was pregnant or may become a parent soon?
Posted on 8/10/16 at 12:33 pm to More beer please
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I have zero health issues and a limited amount of PTO. The difference with all of your scenarios is that if I miss extended amount of time then I simply dont get paid. Period.
Paid time for maternity leave is not exactly a standard either. FMLA is standard, but that is unpaid.
FWIW, you probably have FMLA too. If you need to care for your sick parent for some period of time that is less than 12 weeks, your company cannot let you go for taking that unpaid time.
If you were hospitalized or required some sort of relatively long medical situation, your company cannot fire you and must continue to maintain your group health insurance benefits.
That is no different for a woman taking the leave for a newborn.
If you're upset that it is paid time off, take it up with your employer.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 12:49 pm to REB BEER
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Why the frick would I need more than about a week off when my wife has a baby?
Men are supposed to be providers, not pansies. And the way I provide is by going to work and earning a paycheck.
My wife had an emergency C-section with our son after a long labor with a two week overdue child. One of the clamps in her incision popped and she had complications. She could barely care for herself for over a week, let alone an infant. Both of our families live several states away. If I hadn't been able to take the time off that I needed, we would have been in trouble.
Men are supposed to take care of their families in ways that aren't monetary as well.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 12:50 pm to NoHoTiger
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I think women have the capacity to do both and they should have the option to do both.
Women intrinsically have less of a capacity and opportunity to do both than men. It is a physical demand that time will need to be taken off. Without at least unpaid leave this will force many woman to have to quit their careers in order to have a family. I'm not trying to make any normative statement about this. Maybe you think this choice is completely necessary.
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Women do not have any more of a right to have children than men do to father them.
Women and men are different. The physical demands on their bodies are different.
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Mandates will have unintended consequences.
Sure. But unless you are a pure anarchist who wants to completely abolish government then you think, at the very least, that the government has the authority to mandate protections for basic human rights. All I'm trying to point out is that the crux of this argument is whether or not you think that working and having a family in conjunction is a basic human right.
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Including using the word "right" as a reason to mandate paying for adoption or fertility services.
This would more so refer to access than expected payment.
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Mandates should be used when companies are doing things that are illegal or harmful not because someone feels like they deserve more.
Companies in generality are inherently unethical entities. They will maximize their own position without thought of damage done in terms of externalities. It is up to society to determine where these lines are drawn. As time has gone on the level of prosperity has allowed people in developed countries to demand more out of companies. At some point society decided that preventing child labor and exploitation is a basic human right and good for society for example. Before that it was not that society could afford to protect these people. Really, if you go back far enough it was not feasible to protect children in this manner for much of human history.
And this brings me back to the point. The crux of this argument rests on if you think that at this time having a family and career in conjunction is a basic human right in our society? If yes, then it makes ethical sense for some kind of at least unpaid leave to be mandated. If no, then it should not be mandated.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 12:56 pm to Peazey
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Sure. But unless you are a pure anarchist who wants to completely abolish government then you think, at the very least, that the government has the authority to mandate protections for basic human rights
How is leave a basic human right?
Posted on 8/10/16 at 1:01 pm to RogerTheShrubber
To be fair, I don't really see the issue with FMLA mandates. They aren't required for companies with less than 50 employees, so the people that would be "crippled" by the mandate are exempt. I don't see much downside in unpaid leave.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 1:05 pm to slackster
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I don't see much downside in unpaid leave.
Leave should be a perk to attract good employees IMO. Not a government mandate.
I've never worked for a company that didn't allow leave however.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 1:06 pm to LNCHBOX
What if you agree to pay the time off, yet the woman decided to not go back to work?
Posted on 8/10/16 at 1:10 pm to LNCHBOX
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Right, the whole board lights you up, so you were just kidding. Any other clichés you want to post?
LOL. The whole board? There's two vocal jackasses that have a pregnancy fetish.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 1:11 pm to OMLandshark
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So would you hire a woman who was pregnant or may become a parent soon?
Sure. I'm not currently mandated to provide anything beyond her normal accrued leave time or PTO. Her job will be here when she returns.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 1:12 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Leave should be a perk to attract good employees IMO. Not a government mandate. I've never worked for a company that didn't allow leave however.
I get the principle argument, but in the real world I don't see the downside.
For example, it is completely different than minimum wage IMO.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 1:13 pm to DupontsCircle
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.I find non-married people work harder and longer hours and overall perform better at work.
perhaps
but married people with a family will be more loyal
you need to have that happy balance
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