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re: How do feel about Maternity and Paternity Leave
Posted on 8/10/16 at 11:04 am to OMLandshark
Posted on 8/10/16 at 11:04 am to OMLandshark
I'm too poor to get his jokes.
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Posted on 8/10/16 at 11:06 am to Breesus
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You can't imagine a scenario when you might possibly need to take some time off work?
An extended amount like 2-4 months? Sure, if I got into a serious car accident and stayed in the hospital.
I have zero health issues and a limited amount of PTO. The difference with all of your scenarios is that if I miss extended amount of time then I simply dont get paid. Period.
Pregnancy is different. How long they get paid depends on the company. Helping out is one thing but there is a clear disparity between the two situations.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 11:06 am to OMLandshark
Well I didn't get much of a response besides anger so I thought it was successful
Posted on 8/10/16 at 11:09 am to crazycubes
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however, families don't return the favor. everyone is always on linked-in looking to find a better opportunity. gone are the days of a majority of employees building a career with a company, now?
If you build it, they will come.
If you pay a competitive salary and create a culture of investing in the lives and families of your employees, why would an employee leave?
If employees enjoy ample vacation time, paid maternity/paternity leave, and other flexible options to provide them with their desired work-life balance, all the research in the world shows that they will be more productive at work and the company will experience lower than average turnover.
This post was edited on 8/10/16 at 11:11 am
Posted on 8/10/16 at 11:14 am to Wideman
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If you pay a competitive salary and create a culture of investing in the lives and families of your employees, why would an employee leave?
If employees enjoy ample vacation time, paid maternity/paternity leave, and other flexible options to provide them with their desired work-life balance, all the research in the world shows that they will be more productive at work and the company will experience lower than average turnover.
Congrats. You described Google.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 11:16 am to lsunurse
I apologize. I misquoted the data that I was reading from the Bureau of Labor. It says that normally 5 to 6 weeks of Paid paternity leave is common, most notably in companies with 50 or more employees.
Smaller companies can have the same offers, but it is less common due to the expense of the employer.
Personally, I feel that maternity leave of 12 weeks is sufficient (it is basically academic summer vacation length). However, I think only paying half of the time off is fair. The woman is technically using the employers time and money albeit the circumstances are different.
Half of my current salary for a hiatus to address a crucial point in my family life is a fair.
As others have said, other people are working "overtime" to compensate for you being gone. I am not downing women, but I agree that a compromise is fair.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 11:17 am to lsunurse
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Imagine your stomach was cut open and all your intestines pulled out and flopped on your belly....then imagine it was shoved all back in and sewed up...while you were awake?
I lived this twice and I'm still getting squeamish reading about it.
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Now imagine having to get up frequently to care for a newborn while having pain to where your stomach was cut open days before. You don't think you would maybe want someone else to give you a hand so you could rest?
The day we came home from the hospital with baby Bham 1, I sneezed and literally started sobbing because it hurt so much. Especially because Mr. Bham was out getting my pain meds from the pharmacy.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 11:17 am to More beer please
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Helping out is one thing
but that seems to be the big issue here
the "inconvenience" of the other coworkers having to cover
Posted on 8/10/16 at 11:22 am to Salmon
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but that seems to be the big issue here
the "inconvenience" of the other coworkers having to cover
In what I do, yes. Again the likelihood of anyone missing multiple weeks of work at one time besides pregnancy is rare. And even then it is most certainly not planned.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 11:22 am to Salmon
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but that seems to be the big issue here
the "inconvenience" of the other coworkers having to cover
Have women on maternity past Week 6 telework (if they can) if they want to be paid. Seems like a compromise.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 11:23 am to LSUBham
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pain meds
Another reason why husbands would need to stay home and help out. Everyone reacts differently to pain meds. The woman may be having intense post c section pain and need her pain meds....and it make her kinda loopy. It would be best for baby if someone else was with mom in those situations to help out.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 11:23 am to volod
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Personally, I feel that maternity leave of 12 weeks is sufficient (it is basically academic summer vacation length). However, I think only paying half of the time off is fair. The woman is technically using the employers time and money albeit the circumstances are different.
Half of my current salary for a hiatus to address a crucial point in my family life is a fair.
I felt fortunate to be able to take off 12 weeks, but I wasn't fully ready to come back either time - and I wasn't as productive in the first few months after coming back because both my babies weren't sleeping through the night, so having the option to take longer (unpaid or using my vacation time) would have been nice, but I also realize I was fortunate.
My employer offered short term disability at 60% of my salary for 6 weeks (because I had c-sections, it's 4 weeks for a vaginal delivery) - the rest of the time I was paid with a combination of my extended leave (40 hours, which is the max) and my personal PTO.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 11:24 am to DupontsCircle
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Have women on maternity past Week 6 telework (if they can) if they want to be paid. Seems like a compromise.
I think you should do whatever you want, I'm not for mandatory leave
I just think good employers will/should give leave without bitching about it or holding it over anyone's head
Posted on 8/10/16 at 11:25 am to DupontsCircle
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Congrats. You described Google.
I described many of the fastest growing companies on the planet. Even companies with scarce resources can afford to invest in the lives and families of their employees (more PTO, etc). If you treat people like people, they are more loyal.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 11:25 am to lsunurse
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Another reason why husbands would need to stay home and help out. Everyone reacts differently to pain meds. The woman may be having intense post c section pain and need her pain meds....and it make her kinda loopy. It would be best for baby if someone else was with mom in those situations to help out.
I wasn't cleared to be alone with the kids for 2 weeks, and it was at my 6-week postpartum check up (I think, that time was a bit of a blur between the exhaustion, meds and pain) that I was cleared to drive. When women go back too early (I've heard of some extreme cases of 1 week, 2 weeks and 4 weeks post baby because of various reasons), some of them aren't even supposed to be driving themselves to work yet.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 11:27 am to Wideman
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Even companies with scarce resources can afford to invest in the lives and families of their employees (more PTO, etc).
I think we have a different understanding of the word scarce.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 11:28 am to DupontsCircle
quote:what is your understanding?
I think we have a different understanding of the word scarce.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 11:35 am to Wideman
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what is your understanding?
When you say a company has scarce resources, it means it has a definable limited amount of either payroll, credit, accounts, employees, etc.
It's not 15M free cash floating around.
This post was edited on 8/10/16 at 11:36 am
Posted on 8/10/16 at 11:51 am to DupontsCircle
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When you say a company has scarce resources, it means it has a definable limited amount of either payroll, credit, accounts, employees, etc.
It's not 15M free cash floating around.
Okay. Good. I understand your understanding.
So with those limitations in mind, what keeps a company from providing, at the very least, three weeks of PTO as an investment in the time employees can spend with their families? A company-encouraged work-life balance? at least 4-6 weeks paid maternity leave?
Isn't it more expensive to consistently hire and train new employees by creating situation where the business is a revolving door of undervalued, underappreciated and actively disengaged employees?
If employees have a competitive salary, a nice work-life balance and intrinsic motivators at work like 'a purpose' and something along the lines of 'understanding their contributions to the bottom line', it really makes it hard for them to leave.
This post was edited on 8/10/16 at 11:54 am
Posted on 8/10/16 at 11:52 am to Wideman
A company should offer paid maternity leave and most do, but having a baby isn't like being involved in an accident. I realize child birth is no vacation, but It is a conscious decision that says "I am not working for 8-12 weeks because I want to have this baby." I believe an employer should have some re-course if this becomes an unjust burden. They certainly shouldn't be forced to pay the employee for time missed.
If I am a young woman, I'm probably not working for a company that does not offer paid maternity leave unless there are a lot of other benefits. If my choices are slim them I'm looking to jump ship as soon as a job offer with paid maternity comes along. There is no need for the US government to dictate the wages private businesses pay to their employees.
I know plenty of women who will admit to being hesitant about hiring younger women for this reason, and there are people out there who will continue to have babies just to rep the government benefits.
If I am a young woman, I'm probably not working for a company that does not offer paid maternity leave unless there are a lot of other benefits. If my choices are slim them I'm looking to jump ship as soon as a job offer with paid maternity comes along. There is no need for the US government to dictate the wages private businesses pay to their employees.
I know plenty of women who will admit to being hesitant about hiring younger women for this reason, and there are people out there who will continue to have babies just to rep the government benefits.
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