re: How do feel about Maternity and Paternity Leave

My company just added 6 paid weeks starting next year.

I got twins coming in Feb

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How is leave a basic human right?

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I'm not saying it is. I'm saying that is the argument.

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Maternity leave in all honesty should be twelve weeks minimum and it shouldnt be shite on and frowned upon like it is in this country. We've come along way on that, but companies still frick over new moms pretty regularly.

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How about their co-workers? My wife's company gives 12 weeks. That's all well and good, until women plan their pregnancies together. She's had as many as 3 out at one time, one is pregnant again, and another has 2 and wants 2 more back to back. They're getting off an entire quarter at a time, not to mention doctor visits and being out sick while actually pregnant, putting the rest of the workers in a bind. What do you do though? You can't tell someone they can't get pregnant.

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You have no idea what it's like to work for me

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I can draw a picture based off this thread well enough and the fact that you seem to have bad employees with all your complaining in this thread, tells me a lot

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Contrary. I have the best people.

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not if you find that married people with families give minimal effort and take a lot of time off

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Stating an opinion is complaining.

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Have you not complained about women taking too much time off in this thread?

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Go enjoy your free Minnie Mouse ice cream.

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Oh I shall, don't worry

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Without at least unpaid leave this will force many woman to have to quit their careers in order to have a family

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This is already covered by FMLA.

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Women and men are different. The physical demands on their bodies are different.

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Agreed

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the government has the authority to mandate protections for basic human rights

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I do not think this is a basic human right. People choose to have children or not have children. It is not the government's responsibility to mandate how companies respond to this choice.

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Companies in generality are inherently unethical entities. They will maximize their own position without thought of damage done in terms of externalities. It is up to society to determine where these lines are drawn. As time has gone on the level of prosperity has allowed people in developed countries to demand more out of companies. At some point society decided that preventing child labor and exploitation is a basic human right and good for society for example. Before that it was not that society could afford to protect these people. Really, if you go back far enough it was not feasible to protect children in this manner for much of human history.

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This is all well and good and makes for good sound bites. I do not think the government should be issuing mandates for maternity leave.

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then it makes ethical sense for some kind of at least unpaid leave to be mandated. If no, then it should not be mandated.

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I don't conflate ethics and mandates.

I enjoy debating with you. You don't just call me names and write me off as a crazy chick

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Just because at my firm I wouldn't pay for you and your family to gallivant across Disney World on my dime doesn't make me a bad employer.

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Do you have paid vacation? What kind of firm?

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What do you do though? You can't tell someone they can't get pregnant.

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There is no easy answer. If you offer the benefit hopefully you have a plan in place for when it is used to the extreme. At least it won't catch you by surprise considering you've got 7 months or so to plan for it. I agree with most that there is a level of paid leave that a company should offer, but making it mandatory is the wrong path.

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This is a given. Vacations, kids, kids activities, sick, kids sick, etc.

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you don't give your employees PTO?

single people don't take PTO?

what is this nonsense?

and the "minimal effort" part?

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LOL Liberals.

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More proof you're a simpleton. Any person who has a different opinion than you is automatically a liberal. Only morons think that way.