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re: How can American society fix this mass shooter phenomenon?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:54 am to Scruffy
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:54 am to Scruffy
quote:Time for some tough love…Scruffy needs to go back to not following politics. Scruffy was a better poster when he wasn’t focused on politics.
I didn’t follow global or even local politics until college because it wasn’t in my face/hand 24/7.
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Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:55 am to Tiger1242
Publicly execute these POS for the world to see the consequences of choosing to do something that evil.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:55 am to Scruffy
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That won’t happen, so, to answer OP’s question, we can’t fix it.
Scruffy's pessimism about human's ability to adapt is concerning.
This is all new. We are learning the consequence of a 24/7 connected, but isolated world.
We can adapt.
And I think we will.
We just will have to go through some learning curves first.
Most of what you speak of is already happening among the higher educated.
It will trickle down eventually.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:56 am to Tiger1242
I really wish that I had answers as does everyone. Maybe stricter gun purchasing laws or age requirements (but if you are crazy it doesn’t matter what age you are), I thought all buyers had to go through background checks?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:56 am to WDE24
quote:
Time for some tough love…Scruffy needs to go back to not following politics. Scruffy was a better poster when he wasn’t focused on politics.
Fact.
Scruffy needs to take his own advice in this thread.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:00 am to Salmon
It seems to be happening a little bit already. Anecdotally, I've seen more kids out and about this year than I have in a long time, doing kid things. Riding bikes, fishing in ponds they don't have permission to fish in, etc. I think being locked down jarred a lot of people into realizing how much the digital world sucks compared to being outside with friends.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:03 am to Scruffy
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Human society is healthier when it is distilled down to smaller scaled groups.
indeed
Families as the building block, neighborhoods and towns after that. I also think that if things functioned correctly in that manner, a lot of the hard lines we draw would soften a little. I don't want to give up guns, mind you, but if I lived in a productive small community that controlled its own governance/norms and that decided it was in our interest to take certain firearms safeguards, I'd be much more receptive to that than being told what to do by someone who hates me and my family from 2000 miles away. It's like that with everything, and it's why our current system just makes any "solution" completely untenable.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:05 am to Salmon
quote:Sure it is pessimistic, but it comes from data within the age groups everyone is referencing.
Scruffy's pessimism about human's ability to adapt is concerning.
quote:And the consequences are fairly terrible for those generations who have grown up solely in the period of time associated with constant connectivity.
This is all new. We are learning the consequence of a 24/7 connected, but isolated world.
Large increases in mental health diagnoses, mental health medication usage, self-harm, and suicidality, especially in adolescents and children.
quote:At what point will we be willing to accept that this is all extremely damaging to developing minds?
We just will have to go through some learning curves first.
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 10:08 am
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:06 am to WDE24
quote:This isn’t even a political discussion. It is a social one.
Time for some tough love…Scruffy needs to go back to not following politics. Scruffy was a better poster when he wasn’t focused on politics.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:07 am to Scruffy
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At what point will we be willing to accept that this is all extremely damaging to developing minds?
I find it extremely damaging to my own, developed mind and struggle to separate from it.
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 10:08 am
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:07 am to Pettifogger
quote:I feel incredibly fortunate that my kids are growing up in a throwback style. We live in a neighborhood with plenty of their friends, the elementary school is in the neighborhood, the middle school and high school just outside the neighborhood. My kids play wiffle ball in the yard, basketball in the driveway, ride their bikes all over the place, do lemonade stand, and basically live at the pool during the summer.
indeed Families as the building block, neighborhoods and towns after that.
They have video games and phones, but live a childhood that is much like mine was in the 80s and 90s. Based on what I read on here, it appears their childhood is the exception rather than the norm.
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 10:35 am
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:08 am to Scruffy
quote:100% and I agree with you. My comment was an aside and intended humbly and sincerely.
This isn’t even a political discussion. It is a social one.
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 10:10 am
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:08 am to ProjectP2294
quote:It all has addictive properties.
I find it extremely damaging to my own, developed, mind and struggle to separate from it.
You, at least, have the development to recognize that it is harmful.
Now consider it from the perspective of child or adolescent you.
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 10:10 am
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:11 am to Scruffy
quote:
Now consider it from the perspective of child or adolescent you.
In like 5th grade I did science fair or social studies fair (don't remember which) project on video game addiction. This would have been mid 90's.
It was decidedly not an exercise in self awareness, I can tell you that.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:12 am to Salmon
Talking about social media and bad parenting is political?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:15 am to Tiger1242
Some people needs to stop being their kids best friend,
stop blaming others for their kids failures,
start holding their kids accountable for their failures,
stop handing out participation ribbons,
stop letting every kid make the team,
start telling them no,
start making their kids have some responsibilities,
stop throwing medication at their kids because they don’t want to deal with the kids issues,
start disciplining their kids (not beat or abuse.)
stop blaming others for their kids failures,
start holding their kids accountable for their failures,
stop handing out participation ribbons,
stop letting every kid make the team,
start telling them no,
start making their kids have some responsibilities,
stop throwing medication at their kids because they don’t want to deal with the kids issues,
start disciplining their kids (not beat or abuse.)
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:15 am to Pettifogger
quote:Nah, I get their points, and I think it is largely about me on this website.
Talking about social media and bad parenting is political?
I was less serious and more enjoyable in the past, but, well, everything was less serious and more enjoyable about 6 or so years ago…even the PT Board.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:16 am to Tiger1242
This may not make much sense but I think the reason we see these types of shootings much more than other like countries is because of our relaxed gun laws comparably, but banning guns are making the laws much stricter wouldn't really help to curb this issue.
Like I said, that may sound contradictory but I think the reason is because the lenient gun laws have created a culture around guns in America that will continue on even if we made super strict gun laws. That culture won't magically disappear.
It's not just a coincidence that we have these shootings more comparable to like countries. All countries have mental illness, poverty, all that stuff. Not all countries have our gun laws, which have created the culture around guns that I think have lead us here.
So to answer your question of the OP in how to fix this...I haven't the slightest clue. Part of me thinks it isn't fixable unfortunately.
Like I said, that may sound contradictory but I think the reason is because the lenient gun laws have created a culture around guns in America that will continue on even if we made super strict gun laws. That culture won't magically disappear.
It's not just a coincidence that we have these shootings more comparable to like countries. All countries have mental illness, poverty, all that stuff. Not all countries have our gun laws, which have created the culture around guns that I think have lead us here.
So to answer your question of the OP in how to fix this...I haven't the slightest clue. Part of me thinks it isn't fixable unfortunately.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:16 am to Pettifogger
Salmon admonishing posters for talking about politics is high comedy
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:17 am to ghost2most
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Do you really think because I have a liberal viewpoint on this I would care if a black person is impacted.
If said black person would be impacted negatively, then yes I think you would care. You would make exceptions for them.
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