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re: Houston drainage grid 'so obsolete it's just unbelievable'

Posted on 8/30/17 at 8:56 am to
Posted by LSUfanNkaty
LC, Louisiana
Member since Jan 2015
11959 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 8:56 am to
Every drainage grid is obsolete when you get 50 frickin inches of rain in 3 days


Posted by Mr Sausage
Cat Spring, Texas
Member since Oct 2011
15739 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 8:56 am to
It's not every 100 years. It's each year you have a 1/100 chance of a storm of that magnitude happening.

It's like throwing dice. Sometimes you roll 7 five times in a row and sometimes you roll craps.
Posted by LSUfanNkaty
LC, Louisiana
Member since Jan 2015
11959 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 8:58 am to
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People don't want to admit that the solution is to condemn property in areas like Meyerland and make those areas detain before their runoff hits the bayous.


THIS
Posted by cahoots
Member since Jan 2009
9134 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 9:04 am to
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Should we not allow houses on lakes or rivers too? No one accounts for this amount of water. Not the USACE, not HCFCD, nobody.


I think it depends. People should know the risks of these areas and build accordingly. As it stands, we tell people that it's a 100-year flood area. That sounds rare but it's really 1% chance in any year. Some properties in Houston have flooded twice in 2 years.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91838 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 9:08 am to
This is a slimy time to make that kind of statement, but it's a known fact that Houston has major flooding issues.

When you have the Tax Day floods, the Memorial Day floods, and the Brazos River last June, all in a 2 year stretch, you've got some issues.
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
40310 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 9:08 am to
quote:

Every drainage grid is obsolete when you get 50 frickin inches of rain in 3 days



something something global warming and not mentioning that it wasn't the storms strength but unfortunate fact that it was forced to sit on the city of days
This post was edited on 8/30/17 at 9:13 am
Posted by whoisnickdoobs
Lafayette
Member since Apr 2012
9352 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 9:16 am to
I just can't help but imagine if NO was directly hit by this thing. Have they fixed the pumps yet?
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
56145 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 9:19 am to
I heard one weather commentator yesterday say the amount of water that fell in the Houston area is the equivalent of 5 days of water going over Niagara Falls.
Posted by cahoots
Member since Jan 2009
9134 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 9:23 am to
quote:

something something global warming and not mentioning that it wasn't the storms strength but unfortunate fact that it was forced to sit on the city of days


Houston has flooded multiple times in the past few years. Tax day floods last year. Brazos river flooding not long ago. I'm not a scientist so I will defer to the experts, but this is happening much more frequently. Its happening a lot for something that is supposedly so rare.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91838 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 9:26 am to
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I heard one weather commentator yesterday say the amount of water that fell in the Houston area is the equivalent of 5 days of water going over Niagara Falls


Based on the claims of 1 trillion gallons in Harris County, that works out to about 2.6 days of flow from the Mississippi River at New Orleans.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
24188 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 9:28 am to
There is a big difference between flooding that happened and flooding that should have happened. With that amount of rain, flooding was going to happen. The big question though is how much? There's clearly some major drainage issues, you shouldn't have 20 feet of water on an interstate system or whatever they have in pictures. When you have traffic cameras under water, that's not acceptable levels of flooding.

This post was edited on 8/30/17 at 9:29 am
Posted by TigerDog83
Member since Oct 2005
8849 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 9:41 am to
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There's clearly some major drainage issues, you shouldn't have 20 feet of water on an interstate system or whatever they have in pictures. When you have traffic cameras under water, that's not acceptable levels of flooding.



I could be wrong but weren't a lot of those streches of interstate and highway dug out so deeply to serve as a fallback in case of these huge rain events? I heard KHOU mention this the other day. That would make sense to have roadways flood out before houses and buildings, although in this case we can see that's not exactly how it played out. The only solution seems to be condemning historically bad areas like Meyerland etc. and returning them to retention.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 9:45 am to
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not even New Orleans, because at least they have pumps there that work at approximately 50% capacity, from time to time, when we can get the antiquated generators to run supplying ancient 52Htz electricity that is only used for this crazy system thereby preventing a direct hook-up to the public utility


FIFH.........
Posted by cahoots
Member since Jan 2009
9134 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 10:40 am to
Don't get mad at me but the old frequency pumps can run on grid power. You can convert grid power to the old frequency. The whole idea is that they generate their own energy so you don't rely on grid power during a storm. Hence the importance of the turbines
Posted by supatigah
CEO of the Keith Hernandez Fan Club
Member since Mar 2004
90038 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 10:41 am to
For the Meyerland area a big change was reconfiguring the drainage for the medical center expansions downstream
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Member since Feb 2008
24789 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 10:45 am to
While this storm is an absolute outlier, Houston's drainage does suck over all. If you live here you know that. There are times where a relatively small amount of rain can wreck havoc with street flooding.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
24188 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 11:17 am to
quote:

I could be wrong but weren't a lot of those streches of interstate and highway dug out so deeply to serve as a fallback in case of these huge rain events? I


Very well could be and it makes sense to a degree, but at the same time I'm not sure flooding your main means of evacuations is a great plan. I also understand putting some water into the streets as they normally drain fast, but when your streets are 10+ foot under water that does seem like poor drainage.
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
56145 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 11:17 am to
quote:

you shouldn't have 20 feet of water on an interstate system or whatever they have in pictures.


Nor should you have the main drainage system of a whole metroplex area running thru the middle of a city the size of Houston.
Posted by NOLALGD
Member since May 2014
2754 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 3:50 pm to
quote:

I could be wrong but weren't a lot of those streches of interstate and highway dug out so deeply to serve as a fallback in case of these huge rain events?


This is only partially true. Streets serve as an efficient means to drain runoff to your large collection systems, i.e. built drainage, natural basin, etc. Streets are never designed to hold significant amounts of water for any sustained period of time.

Think of it as the relationship between neighborhood streets and freeways with the freeways being your large collection systems. If your neighborhood street has bumper-to-bumper traffic at any point, something is not functioning correctly. That could be an uncontrollable event outside of the neighborhood, maybe an accident somewhere that causes traffic to re-route to your street. Or it could be development related, someone built too many houses or built a commercial use that creates a lot of traffic that can only be accessed by the neighborhood street. Or a combination of both, which I think is the drainage analogy here.
Posted by DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Member since May 2011
19467 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 3:52 pm to
how long before people start claiming Trump blew up that levee?
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