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re: Houston cop tries to arrest wrong black man playing with his dog/kids in front of his home
Posted on 6/7/19 at 6:17 pm to TH03
Posted on 6/7/19 at 6:17 pm to TH03
quote:Do you think when cops walk up to actually wanted guys that they ever say, "Nah man, that's not me, but I ain't giving you no ID" ??
It's pretty obvious early he has the wrong guy, but doubles down.
quote:LOL at me literally copying and pasting from you NOT addressing both questions.
I've addressed your question already. Quit copying and pasting it acting like I'm avoiding it.
This post was edited on 6/7/19 at 6:18 pm
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Posted on 6/7/19 at 6:17 pm to TH03
quote:Oh that cop handled it wrong, as did the landowner.
What about when you're completely innocent and a dumb cop thinks every black guy with dreads is the same guy?
I’m white and got pulled over once long ago. Got out of my car pissed after cop had my license for 5 minutes or so. When I got out to ask wth was going on he immediately said get back in your car, I did.
Couple minutes later he brought me my license, apologized as he told me my car matched the description of one used in a robbery but I was clear to go.
This post was edited on 6/7/19 at 6:19 pm
Posted on 6/7/19 at 6:20 pm to TH03
quote:That was what I thought as I watched it.
It's pretty obvious early he has the wrong guy, but doubles down
Posted on 6/7/19 at 6:22 pm to shel311
quote:
Do you think when cops walk up to actually wanted guys that they ever say, "Nah man, that's not me, but I ain't giving you no ID" ??
Sure. Not sure why you think this is some gotcha.
Do you think all black guys with dreads look the same?
Do you think a cop can't see known addresses for a person and their acquaintances?
There are multiple ways for this cop to have figured out this wasn't the right guy. He chose to ignore it.
Imagine you're in your front lawn with your kids and someone tries to arrest you because he thinks you're someone else. You aren't going to be mad? You aren't going to feel like your rights are being violated?
It's not your duty to submit to a cop's will when he's an idiot making a mistake. Individual freedoms should not be so easily sacrificed in the name of even public safety.
This post was edited on 6/7/19 at 6:23 pm
Posted on 6/7/19 at 6:26 pm to TH03
quote:
Sure, approach and do your due diligence, but when it's obvious you're wrong,
I am not talking about just THIS specific situation. I am talking about general situations. How will it ever be obvious that you are wrong (as a police officer)? Just a persons promise they are not the person in question?
I seriously don’t understand how a conclusion can be made unless you have ID.
Posted on 6/7/19 at 6:26 pm to TH03
quote:No. Have you seen the pic of the perp they were looking for?
Do you think all black guys with dreads look the same?
quote:I do not think the cops know every single address of every single friend or possible house a perp may be at, that is essentially what you're asking. The guy could have gotten a new girlfriend in teh past week, boom, he's at an address not on their list.
Do you think a cop can't see known addresses for a person and their acquaintances?
quote:Of course I'm going to be mad. I'm also going to show my ID, resolve the issue very quickly and not hire a lawyer to sue. I'm pretty confident in that.
Imagine you're in your front lawn with your kids and someone tries to arrest you because he thinks you're someone else. You aren't going to be mad?
Posted on 6/7/19 at 6:26 pm to Street Hawk
Dude has a legitimate gripe. Cop way overstepped his bounds and needs to be disciplined. The man wasn’t doing anything detrimental to the community.
Posted on 6/7/19 at 6:30 pm to shel311
quote:
The guy could have gotten a new girlfriend in teh past week, boom, he's at an address not on their list.
quote:
Of course I'm going to be mad. I'm also going to show my ID, resolve the issue very quickly and not hire a lawyer to sue. I'm pretty confident in that.
Good for you. This guy didn't want to because it was a bullshite infringement of his rights.
You just seem to want to defend this dumbass cop at every turn. The 4th amendment still exists.
Posted on 6/7/19 at 6:36 pm to TH03
Yep, possible criminals never make new friends. There's no chance they could ever be at an address the cops don't know, right? You're crushing it in here!!!
You're truly so bad at debating.
quote:Yep, me and the majority, look at us!
You just seem to want to defend this dumbass cop at every turn.
You're truly so bad at debating.
This post was edited on 6/7/19 at 6:37 pm
Posted on 6/7/19 at 6:39 pm to shel311
Oh now it's time for you to act like that.
I'm out.
It's a simple disagreement. I believe in individual freedoms and you want stop and frisk in neighborhoods.
I'm out.
It's a simple disagreement. I believe in individual freedoms and you want stop and frisk in neighborhoods.
Posted on 6/7/19 at 6:42 pm to TH03
quote:You've been acting a fool for a couple of pages at least, don't try to be all high and mighty now.
Oh now it's time for you to act like that.
quote:L
It's a simple disagreement.
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L
You're crying because I made fun of you so now you're taking your ball and going home. You're calling it a "simple disagreement" while a page ago you called me a fascist pig, among other personal shots.
And note, I didn't even get mad or care that you did that, but yea, you've been acting totally cool here. Like I said, you're really bad at this debating thing.
This post was edited on 6/7/19 at 6:43 pm
Posted on 6/7/19 at 6:44 pm to shel311
Jesus Christ, how much more obvious can I be?
You're fricking slipping, man.
I called you a fascist pig ffs
You're fricking slipping, man.
I called you a fascist pig ffs
This post was edited on 6/7/19 at 6:46 pm
Posted on 6/7/19 at 6:55 pm to shel311
So the cop goes up to him and says he looks like someone they are on the lookout for. The argument ensues. Another cop brings the picture and shows it to the first cop. First cop says, Oh, it's not you but looks like you.
Why didn't he look at the picture first so he could know what the fugitive looked like?
Why didn't he look at the picture first so he could know what the fugitive looked like?
Posted on 6/7/19 at 7:09 pm to FightnBobLafollette
quote:
Let me help you out. Most people don’t like being accused of being a criminal when they are innocent
Let me help you out (although from your ignorant post you sound like a lost cause).
Just show your ID to prove you are not the fugitive and go about your day. Why frick around with an irrational cop?
Posted on 6/7/19 at 7:35 pm to QJenk
quote:
Question for the legal experts. If a cop rolls on you for any reason. Are you legally obligated to show ID when requested. I thought you were but I feel like I'm wrong now.
If an officer has reasonable suspicion you have committed a crime you are obligated to provide identification or he can detain you until you can be identified.
Posted on 6/7/19 at 7:38 pm to shel311
I believe that you are only required to honestly state your name. Then it is up to the LEO to confirm.
Posted on 6/7/19 at 7:40 pm to TH03
quote:
The 4th amendment still exists.
But if the officer has reasonable suspicion the 4th doesnt protect him from being detained and identified.
Even if the suspicion is wrong as long as it was reasonable the officer has the power to detain and identify him.
Posted on 6/7/19 at 7:42 pm to DoctorO
quote:
I believe that you are only required to honestly state your name. Then it is up to the LEO to confirm.
But the LEO can detain you for a reasonable time until they can confirm it.
Posted on 6/7/19 at 7:42 pm to theenemy
quote:
Even if the suspicion is wrong as long as it was reasonable the officer has the power to detain and identify him.
Reasonable suspicion = black guys with dreads all look the same.
Posted on 6/7/19 at 7:46 pm to TH03
quote:
Reasonable suspicion = black guys with dreads all look the same.
Depends on the totality of all the circumstances.
Without all the information pertaining to the situation, how can you determine what's reasonable or not?
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