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re: Housing prices are alarming

Posted on 6/10/19 at 7:52 am to
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 6/10/19 at 7:52 am to
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You’ve always had to go into debt to get a home.



Not entirely true. The trend started in the late 30's, and exploded in the 50's after WW2.
Posted by DeafJam73
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
18438 posts
Posted on 6/10/19 at 7:52 am to
Exactly. Yeah, $50k won’t buy you what it did in 1975, but even then, you had a mortgage.
Posted by DeafJam73
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
18438 posts
Posted on 6/10/19 at 7:53 am to
Probably more to do with people then built their homes more often then than they do now. Now, most people buy or hire a contractor.
Posted by Mud_Till_May
Member since Aug 2014
9685 posts
Posted on 6/10/19 at 7:54 am to
What about the automobile market?
Posted by eScott
Member since Oct 2008
11376 posts
Posted on 6/10/19 at 7:57 am to
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Wrong


I guess you never watched its a wonderful life.
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 6/10/19 at 7:57 am to
They're both incredibly inflated and a bubble waiting to happen. As well as student Loans. The housing market is up to the same shady shite that happened in 08 and since no actual work was done to fix the underlying problems it'll happen again.
This post was edited on 6/10/19 at 8:02 am
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67482 posts
Posted on 6/10/19 at 7:58 am to
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Its not supply and demand when you add credit to the equation.

How you buy it is up to you but prices are entirely supply and demand related
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56472 posts
Posted on 6/10/19 at 8:03 am to
quote:

A person now has to go into debt to purchase a house
Posted by Areddishfish
The Wild West
Member since Oct 2015
6282 posts
Posted on 6/10/19 at 8:03 am to
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A person now has to go into debt to purchase a house.


This shouldn't come as a shock. Even as anti-debt as Dave Ramsey is he understands this is usually the case were he allows debt. You can always rent until you have a nice down payment or rent until you can buy outright.
Posted by tigahbruh
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2014
2858 posts
Posted on 6/10/19 at 8:04 am to
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How do you think prices would look on a supply and demand curve without credit added to the equation?


Physically, houses would be awful and few would own them. Thank God that capitalism and decentralized government have allowed for financial innovation and have drastically driven the quality if life up for the majority of Americans.
Leave my healthy home values alone. Build credit, save for a down, and get a mortgage or go buy a shack in the Mississippi woods for cash. Either way, enjoy.
If you're suggesting that the government step in and control prices, I have a suggestion on where you can stick that idea. Hint: the sun doesn't shine there.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56472 posts
Posted on 6/10/19 at 8:08 am to
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Im a democrat because I dont want to get a mortgage?



You're a democrat because your assessment of the housing market is based solely on your person situation.
This post was edited on 6/10/19 at 8:12 am
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 6/10/19 at 8:09 am to
Feel free to save for 1+ decades and buy cash. Keep in mind houses will be even more expensive then than they are now.
Posted by DeafJam73
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
18438 posts
Posted on 6/10/19 at 8:09 am to
quote:

The housing market is up to the same shady shite that happened in 08 and since no actual work was done to fix the underlying problems it'll happen again.


Half of me don’t want to happen, the other half is like “I’ll take a 4 bedroom on the cheap.”
Posted by stout
Smoking Crack with Hunter Biden
Member since Sep 2006
167230 posts
Posted on 6/10/19 at 8:12 am to
A correction is coming soon.

Housing price growth and rental price growth has far surpassed wage growth for several years now. It's not sustainable.

That's not the only reason a correction is coming but it's a huge part of it.
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
36791 posts
Posted on 6/10/19 at 8:13 am to
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Why cant I just save and buy?



I don't know, why cant you?
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 6/10/19 at 8:14 am to
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The housing market is up to the same shady shite that happened in 08 and since no actual work was done to fix the underlying problems it'll happen again.




Yep, which makes me laugh at all the "supply and demand" comments. The housing market is far from a perfect supply/demand market. Anyone that has recently tried to buy or sell a house and had a cash buyer in the equation would know that.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422412 posts
Posted on 6/10/19 at 8:15 am to
i ran into an old client yesterday (he owns a lot of rental properties) and he said that the LC market is way over-saturated and now you are seeing company listings getting bigger and rentals staying on the market longer. seems like we's about to experience a correction here
This post was edited on 6/10/19 at 8:16 am
Posted by stout
Smoking Crack with Hunter Biden
Member since Sep 2006
167230 posts
Posted on 6/10/19 at 8:16 am to
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But their not paying it, the bank is and they give them an IOU. What if they cant pay their mortgage? The bank takes it and they are back to square one with no credit and their money gone.



Even if you pay cash for a house you never truly own your house. You still owe Uncle Sam property taxes on it every year and are punished in many areas because as the the value increase so does your liability.
Posted by tigahbruh
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2014
2858 posts
Posted on 6/10/19 at 8:17 am to
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What about the automobile market?

What about it?
People are free to buy, not buy, keep their cars for a long time, sell their vehicles, buy cheaper or more expensive cars, buy used vehicles, etc.

The automobile market pretty much exemplifies a great free market.

As far as going into debt, I think you may need to inform yourself on how finance capitalism works. It is one of the greatest historical emancipators of human freedom, innovation, and progress.
Posted by stout
Smoking Crack with Hunter Biden
Member since Sep 2006
167230 posts
Posted on 6/10/19 at 8:18 am to
quote:

i ran into an old client yesterday (he owns a lot of rental properties) and he said that the LC market is way over-saturated and now you are seeing company listings getting bigger and rentals staying on the market longer. seems like we's about to experience a correction here




He's correct. It is slowing down.

The whole nation is about to see a correction, though. The MBA has their annual meeting at the start of every year and a correction was a big topic at this years meeting. They predict cooling off through 2019 and full on correction in 2020

New housing price growth slowed in the entire nation with a few exceptions for the the 6th month in a row last month. That's a sign of things cooling off.
This post was edited on 6/10/19 at 8:25 am
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