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Hospitals consider universal do-not-resuscitate orders for coronavirus patients
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:11 pm
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:11 pm
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Hospitals on the front lines of the pandemic are engaged in a heated private debate over a calculation few have encountered in their lifetimes — how to weigh the “save at all costs” approach to resuscitating a dying patient against the real danger of exposing doctors and nurses to the contagion of coronavirus.
The conversations are driven by the realization that the risk to staff amid dwindling stores of protective equipment — such as masks, gowns and gloves — may be too great to justify the conventional response when a patient “codes,” and their heart or breathing stops.
Northwestern Memorial Hospital in Chicago has been discussing a do-not-resuscitate policy for infected patients, regardless of the wishes of the patient or their family members — a wrenching decision to prioritize the lives of the many over the one.
Richard Wunderink, one of Northwestern’s intensive-care medical directors, said hospital administrators would have to ask Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker for help in clarifying state law and whether it permits the policy shift.
“It’s a major concern for everyone,” he said. “This is something about which we have had lots of communication with families, and I think they are very aware of the grave circumstances.”
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Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:13 pm to John88
Sort of a hijack but those of you that have parents do you know their wishes?
I’m 39 & my parents let me know a long time ago where the DNR papers are
I’m 39 & my parents let me know a long time ago where the DNR papers are
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:13 pm to John88
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Hospitals consider universal do-not-resuscitate orders for coronavirus patients
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:13 pm to John88
"Do no harm."
frick em. This is what they signed up for.
frick em. This is what they signed up for.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:14 pm to John88
I'm sorry, but if I'm paying for insurance, they better do whatever it takes to save my life. This isn't the damn UK.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:15 pm to John88
quote:I wonder if they have one of those "Heroes work here" signs out front?
Northwestern Memorial Hospital in Chicago has been discussing a do-not-resuscitate policy for infected patients, regardless of the wishes of the patient or their family members — a wrenching decision to prioritize the lives of the many over the one.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:16 pm to John88
What the frick?
That isnt even on the table for hospitals down here, and we're the middle of the frying pan.
That isnt even on the table for hospitals down here, and we're the middle of the frying pan.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:16 pm to John88
this article seems misleading (at least for now)
this appears to be hospitals having a "plan" in case the worst-case scenario unfolds.
this appears to be hospitals having a "plan" in case the worst-case scenario unfolds.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:17 pm to John88
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Northwestern Memorial Hospital in Chicago has been discussing a do-not-resuscitate policy for infected patients, regardless of the wishes of the patient
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:17 pm to Spelt it rong
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I'm paying for insurance, they better do whatever it takes to save my life
Believe it or not insurance companies exist to make sure you pay more than they do.
I wouldnt expect too much cooperation once they start paying way more than your premiums are worth.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:17 pm to John88
That's the Obama Administration hack that got busted out for this false rumor.
Dr Birx Shreds media for false claims -dailywire Birx said. “Please, for the reassurance of people around the world, to wake up this morning and look at people talking about creating DNR situations, do not resuscitate situations for patients, there is no situation in the United States right now that warrants that kind of discussion.”
Dr Birx Shreds media for false claims -dailywire Birx said. “Please, for the reassurance of people around the world, to wake up this morning and look at people talking about creating DNR situations, do not resuscitate situations for patients, there is no situation in the United States right now that warrants that kind of discussion.”
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:18 pm to John88
So if a 5 year old with weak lungs codes these Drs are cool with just saluting him and walking out of the room?
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:19 pm to John88
Over reaction. This has been happening for months and we didnt know about it.
It’s only once people heard about the corona that vent beds became needed. That sore throat I got in December was the worst cold I never had so it was obviously corona
It’s only once people heard about the corona that vent beds became needed. That sore throat I got in December was the worst cold I never had so it was obviously corona
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:19 pm to LSUJML
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Sort of a hijack but those of you that have parents do you know their wishes?
My dad told me that he doesn’t want to be resuscitated if he’s ever stuck on a ventilator and the prognosis isn’t good. I told him it’s only good if he writes it down somewhere. So far—nothing in writing.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:19 pm to NYNolaguy1
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I wouldnt expect too much cooperation once they start paying way more than your premiums are worth.
Tough titty. They wrote the contract.
Maybe the insurance company should have gotten insurance in case something like this happened.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:21 pm to LegendInMyMind
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frick em. This is what they signed up for.
Nobody signed up for being exposed to a pandemic with substandard or no protective equipment. It’s a terrible situation both ways, but to act like this is what anybody “signed up for” is idiotic.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:22 pm to dbeck
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They wrote the contract.
And I promise you that said contract doesn’t obligate them to doing whatever needed to save lives.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:22 pm to John88
quote:Will not happen unless they end up in a situation that is completely uncontrollable.
Northwestern Memorial Hospital in Chicago has been discussing a do-not-resuscitate policy for infected patients, regardless of the wishes of the patient or their family members — a wrenching decision to prioritize the lives of the many over the one.
The lawsuits would be epic in number and there would likely be zero defense.
If they want to go down that route, there needs to be a governmental order and that still likely would be shot down in the courts.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:22 pm to John88
quote:3/25/2020
Hospitals consider universal do-not-resuscitate orders for coronavirus patients
Dr. Birx disavowed this fake news in yesterday’s (3/26/20) press briefing.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:22 pm to LPTReb
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Nobody signed up for being exposed to a pandemic with substandard or no protective equipment.
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