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Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:06 am to lsupride87
There is going to be a lot of starving people in third world countries now that the first world doesn't have a ton of food and money to send to them.
Lots of effects from the shutdown that are unintended.
Lots of effects from the shutdown that are unintended.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:08 am to atxfan
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My comment was directed at the OP's comment of "We did it"
You mean the obviously sarcastic comment about the state of things in is a string of obviously sarcastic about the state of things?
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which I assumed implied that the policies "we" created in repsonse to COVID were what was responsible for these death
So you’re denying policies have been implemented that already have done and will be continuing to do that? You were just given a link proving otherwise.
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Obviously it has been disruptive to the healthcare system, and that obviously affects other treatments.
More like the healthcare system has disrupted itself in pretty much every area outside of NYC.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:09 am to yaherrdme
quote:You want me to give you my email password?
This is your source ?
Is there a link ?
It’s an email from Warner Thomas talking directly from his round table with other hospital leaders across the nation
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:14 am to lsupride87
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You want me to give you my email password?
It’s an email from Warner Thomas talking directly from his round table with other hospital leaders across the nation
Whatever. I'll form my own opinion after I listen to what CNN and MSNBC tell me I should be hyperventilating about, then post that opinion on Facebook and NextDoor.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:20 am to tigerinthebueche
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all depends on how you write it up. Everything is s Covid death when you are getting paid $13K(?) per Covid death.
The fact you have 4 DVs for this is hilarious.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:26 am to lsupride87
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Way to go guys! We did it. We saved 10 people to kill 20!
Couldn’t the quoted text mean that only the most ill are going to the hospital, causing a rise in mortality because they aren’t watered down with milder illnesses as patients that are likely to recover?
I find it hard to believe people are getting heart attacks and electing to tough it out at that high a rate.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:26 am to SoFla Tideroller
quote:He is getting downvoted because its retarded
The fact you have 4 DVs for this is hilarious.
I am anti-lockdown as anyone, but the idea that the hospitals themselves are padding the numbers for that sweet sweet 13k payout is hilarious
If Hospitals were committing fraud it would be testing nobody and lying about cases to get the count down to zero so the states open everything back up
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:28 am to Volvagia
quote:That is not how I interpret it
Couldn’t the quoted text mean that only the most ill are going to the hospital, causing a rise in mortality because they aren’t watered down with milder illnesses as patients that are likely to recover?
Here is more of the text for reference
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Outpatient office visits and the immunizations, panels and screenings that typically occur there are down over 60%. Chronic diseases like diabetes and hypertension are going largely unchecked, while planned elective procedures like hip replacements and cataract surgeries are being postponed. Even more seriously, patients are putting off treatment for issues that require immediate emergency care – resulting in a 41% increase in non-COVID mortality rates.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:28 am to lsupride87
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If Hospitals were committing fraud it would be testing nobody and lying about cases to get the count down to zero so the states open everything back up
You're either really naive or being purposefully obtuse.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:29 am to lsupride87
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If Hospitals were committing fraud it would be testing nobody and lying about cases to get the count down to zero so the states open everything back up
Thank you.
Hospitals are being crushed due to the lack of business and those that believe they are padding the stats to inflate the number of COVID cases to make money are crazy. It’s costing them money.
This post was edited on 5/4/20 at 9:34 am
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:30 am to SoFla Tideroller
quote:No, you dont understand anything really
You're either really naive or being purposefully obtuse
We are BLEEDING money. Nobody wants anything and everything covid to be over more than hospitals
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:31 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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Don't forget people putting off cancer screenings, or ignoring a lump in their neck, for fear of a cough with a less than 1% mortality rate.
People are refusing to get blood tests (other than Covid-19), in such numbers that labs are having to layoff personnel. Those blood tests for heart conditions or diabetes can be life savers.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:31 am to Open Your Eyes
I guess I'm lost in the argument. I thought the argument has been that we want the freedom to choose whether we go back to work, to choose to accept the risk of not wearing a mask, to go out to eat, to get back to normal life, etc... My point was that the treatment was available, the people just exercised their freedom to shoose not to get that treatment. Based on fear mongering? Probably.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:34 am to yaherrdme
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Is there a link ?
There are links all over the internet detailing what is essentially a shutdown of our healthcare system, not because of overload but because of a moratorium on non-urgent procedures and placing Covid-19 priorities ahead of everything else.
But, a reasonably intelligent person shouldn't need an article to explain that when you refocus the healthcare system on one single disease, people would quickly start to die from other causes. That toll is rising now (and will continue to rise for years) as patients die from conditions that were allowed to progress unchecked for too long. I think it's likely that this lockdown will kill many more people than it saves from Covid-19.
This post was edited on 5/4/20 at 10:06 am
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:36 am to atxfan
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My point was that the treatment was available, the people just exercised their freedom to shoose not to get that treatment. Based on fear mongering? Probably.
Incorrect. Access to healthcare has been decimated and not because of choice. Because practices and clinics and hospitals have stopped delivering normal healthcare.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:36 am to SoFla Tideroller
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You're either really naive or being purposefully obtuse.
just consider your logic for half a second and you will realize how dumb it isPosted on 5/4/20 at 9:37 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I’ve seen COVID deniers
Oh lord..
What is this propaganda?
DO you think this isn't a thing? Because it most definitely is a thing. I'm embarrassed for some of the things I've read on social media from people you wouldn't otherwise think are stupid
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:37 am to lsupride87
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We are BLEEDING money. Nobody wants anything and everything covid to be over more than hospitals
And no one said you didn't. But it's not up to you. Which is why I don't blame the hospitals for playing fast and loose with the Covid codes. That extra 20% is no joke to hospitals who are hemorrhaging funds due to stupid fricking politicians and people scared shitless due to the constant doomcasting from the media.
This post was edited on 5/4/20 at 9:38 am
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:39 am to Centinel
quote:That makes no sense
Which is why I don't blame the hospitals for playing fast and loose with the Covid codes
If we were willing to "play fast and loose", we would decide to not use the Covid codes, reducing the infection numbers close to zero, and force the politicians to open without any argument at all
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