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re: Hospitals around the nation are seeing a 41% increase in non-covid mortality
Posted on 5/4/20 at 12:10 pm to Open Your Eyes
Posted on 5/4/20 at 12:10 pm to Open Your Eyes
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It also talks about how hospitals are using “algorithms and a team of experts” to determine what is and is not essential. There was also this:
“"There was someone who had a brain tumor who was told they would not be able to have surgery, which was basically, and appears to be, a death sentence for that patient," Lichtenfeld says.”
That's crazy. I have a co-worker, whose son just had a seizure and had a brain tumor removed last week. If my loved was told that they could not be operated on because it was "non-essential".....nah, f*** that s***!
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Posted on 5/4/20 at 12:11 pm to atxfan
quote:Your wife isn't the only doctor in the only specialty in the world of healthcare.
My wife is a doctor and has been delivering most of her "normal" healthcare via telehealth calls
quote:Yes, this.
Maybe other specialties have shut down?
Posted on 5/4/20 at 12:12 pm to atxfan
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Seems like you're trying to make it sound like a poilicy was created that denied treatment to non-COVID patients.
Just stop. You are twisting his words to fit your argument because your argument is very weak.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 12:15 pm to Open Your Eyes
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It also talks about how hospitals are using “algorithms and a team of experts” to determine what is and is not essential. There was also this:
“"There was someone who had a brain tumor who was told they would not be able to have surgery, which was basically, and appears to be, a death sentence for that patient," Lichtenfeld says.”
That's gut wrenching. I'm not trying to argue that things at hospitals are normal, by any stretch. The only reason why I responded to the thread in the first place was to react to the "we did it" comment, which I (apparently incorrectly) interpreted to mean that there was something that "we" did to affect things beyond what you would normally see from the effects of a global pandemic. A lot of really difficult choices were made in managing this thing and not all will end up being correct. It definitely sucks.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 12:26 pm to atxfan
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My wife is a doctor
If your wife was really a doctor then you wouldn’t have made this statement:
“Saying that hospitals have stopped delivering normal healthcare is just ridiculous.”
Posted on 5/4/20 at 12:34 pm to Open Your Eyes
When that person said that hospitals have stopped delivering normal healthcare, my interpretation of that statement was that all services that are not related to emergent care or COVID care are no longer being delivered. I still don't agree with that. If it was that "many of the normal services have been disrupted" I would have agreed. Somehow you're taking what I'm saying to mean that everything is business as usual. Is it your belief that all normal healthcare has stopped? Then I guess we'll debate the definition of normal next? It seems like we're agreeing on most points and haggling over semantics.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 12:36 pm to atxfan
Look, you said this
You are in fact inferring we are delivering normal healthcare. Which is preposterous. Nothing is normal at all about the healthcare we are currently providing
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“Saying that hospitals have stopped delivering normal healthcare is just ridiculous.”
You are in fact inferring we are delivering normal healthcare. Which is preposterous. Nothing is normal at all about the healthcare we are currently providing
Posted on 5/4/20 at 12:43 pm to atxfan
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Sounds like the patients themselves are choosing to put off treatment because they're scared of infection. Seems like you're trying to make it sound like a poilicy was created that denied treatment to non-COVID patients.
Healthcare was not sparred from the shut down, non medically necessary visits were postponed. Where have you been?
Posted on 5/4/20 at 12:44 pm to atxfan
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I'm not trying to argue that things at hospitals are normal, by any stretch.
“Saying that hospitals have stopped delivering normal healthcare is just ridiculous.”
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The only reason why I responded to the thread in the first place was to react to the "we did it" comment, which I (apparently incorrectly) interpreted to mean that there was something that "we" did to affect things
There is absolutely plenty that “we” did to affect things.
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beyond what you would normally see from the effects of a global pandemic
What would that be exactly? The only other declared global pandemic in modern times was H1N1 in 2009. Were the hospital systems making decisions during that one on whether or not something was elective?
Posted on 5/4/20 at 1:01 pm to doubleb
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I’ve seen COVID deniers say overall deaths are way down, and now they are saying that deaths from everything else but COVID are way up. It’s hard to keep up.
Let me help you. We are discussing Mortality rates, reported by hospitals.
That means that people that actually go to the hospital for these conditions are dying at a higher rate than normal.
Now if overall deaths related to these conditions have decreased, it is reasonable to infer that the virus is actually cannibalizing those deaths. People that would have otherwise died from other causes have died from the virus, whether that be from weakened immune systems caused by the condition or even misreported causes of death.
The numbers not adding up is nothing new. This virus that was originally scary because of how fast it spreads has made its way to less than .5% of Americans in 3+ months. This caused us to worry about overwhelming the hospital systems, which by any available metric has yet to happen anywhere.
All that being said, for all of this hysteria, wouldn’t you expect at least a material increase in overall deaths in the US? Wouldn’t you expect massive amounts of aide being sent around the world to countries that don’t even have a healthcare system to overwhelm?
Draw your own conclusions with the information available.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 1:25 pm to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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Don't forget people putting off cancer screenings, or ignoring a lump in their neck, for fear of a cough with a less than 1% mortality rate.
This situation needs to end
This has to be very common now. Some people will use a thunderstorm as a reason to not go to the doctor, even with something serious. It’s imagine lots of people who hate going to the doctor are using this as a solid excuse to stay away — and sadly, get much much sicker.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 1:30 pm to Open Your Eyes
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“Saying that hospitals have stopped delivering normal healthcare is just ridiculous.”
The intent was to say that not all normal services have been cancelled, not that things are normal/business as usual. I've clarified that but you went back to a quote prior to me clarifying. Why?
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What would that be exactly? The only other declared global pandemic in modern times was H1N1 in 2009. Were the hospital systems making decisions during that one on whether or not something was elective?
What is it that you are arguing at this point? I need a reset.
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