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re: Hospitals around the nation are seeing a 41% increase in non-covid mortality
Posted on 5/4/20 at 10:05 am to atxfan
Posted on 5/4/20 at 10:05 am to atxfan
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I thought the argument has been that we want the freedom to choose whether we go back to work, to choose to accept the risk of not wearing a mask, to go out to eat, to get back to normal life, etc...
It is.
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My point was that the treatment was available, the people just exercised their freedom to shoose not to get that treatment.
That’s simply not the only reason. There were literal policies created preventing them from receiving treatment. Would you like me to paste the text from the story that was linked since you obviously didn’t read it? I could also find another link to MD Anderson not allowing current patients to receive ongoing treatments for you to not read.
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Based on fear mongering? Probably
In addition to actual policies preventing them from going? Absolutely.
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Posted on 5/4/20 at 10:06 am to Centinel
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And of course you ignore everything else I posted as to why it's happening.
Why would I not focus on the thing that makes you a tin foil hat wearer?
This post was edited on 5/4/20 at 10:08 am
Posted on 5/4/20 at 10:07 am to LNCHBOX
Ya, because coding for "presumptive Covid" without testing isn't a thing.....
Posted on 5/4/20 at 10:08 am to Centinel
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Ya, because coding for "presumptive Covid" without testing isn't a thing.....
Do you know what presumptive means? Because it seems like you don't.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 10:08 am to lsupride87
So wait all the people on this board that want to open the economy up ASAP, and said things like "it is just killing the old people and unhealthy ones" But now it is supposedly killing those at a higher rate and it is a bad thing?
I am not following this.
I am not following this.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 10:10 am to lsupride87
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From internal hospital system notification
Maybe you shouldn’t share that info
Posted on 5/4/20 at 10:11 am to SpillwayRoyalty
quote:If you are for opening the economy, you can now argue you are actually for saving lives
So wait all the people on this board that want to open the economy up ASAP, and said things like "it is just killing the old people and unhealthy ones" But now it is supposedly killing those at a higher rate and it is a bad thing?
I am not following this.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 10:11 am to atxfan
quote:Yes, because of how badly everyone, the media/government/citizens overreacted to what COVID can do.
Sounds like the patients themselves are choosing to put off treatment because they're scared of infection
Had the reaction to it been realistic to how bad COVID is, many people wouldn't have been so scared to put off these treatments.
You're also missing the mark because it's not ALL patients putting off treatment, as all elective procedures were canceled pretty much nationwide for over a month, so...
quote:Where did he do that?
Seems like you're trying to make it sound like a poilicy was created that denied treatment to non-COVID patients.
This post was edited on 5/4/20 at 10:14 am
Posted on 5/4/20 at 10:12 am to danilo
quote:There is nothing sensitive at all
Maybe you shouldn’t share that info
We are told when certain information shouldn’t be shared. When it’s an email sent to ALL 27,000 employees, it’s not sensitive, and most likely has already been shared with local media in some capacity. This is exactly the info we not only want to be publicized, we NEED it to be publicized
This post was edited on 5/4/20 at 10:14 am
Posted on 5/4/20 at 10:12 am to LNCHBOX
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Do you know what presumptive means? Because it seems like you don't.
Presumed. Not confirmed. Presumption gives you much more leeway than confirmation.
But you knew that.
It's not like this is some vast conspiracy. It's hospitals taking advantage of lax requirements to increase their payout from the government.
You act like this doesn't happen on a daily basis in this country with a myriad of government programs.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 10:13 am to atxfan
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Saying that hospitals have stopped delivering normal healthcare is just ridiculous.
It's a fact that hospitals, clinics, and practices have sharply curtailed the delivery of normal healthcare. Operating rooms are running at a fraction of their normal caseload. Hospital census is down sharply across the country. People are not able to get diagnostic procedures done; things like cardiac stress tests, echocardiograms, catheterizations, tissue biopsies, endoscopies, etc., etc., etc.
You seem to be insisting that this is because people are choosing not to receive care out of fear. That may play a role, but reduced availability of care has been a matter of policy, not choice.
This post was edited on 5/4/20 at 10:18 am
Posted on 5/4/20 at 10:14 am to lsupride87
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Even more seriously, patients are putting off treatment for issues that require immediate emergency care
Sounds Covid related. It’s an endless loop
Posted on 5/4/20 at 10:16 am to Centinel
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Presumed. Not confirmed. Presumption gives you much more leeway than confirmation.
But you knew that.
It's not like this is some vast conspiracy. It's hospitals taking advantage of lax requirements to increase their payout from the government.
You act like this doesn't happen on a daily basis in this country with a myriad of government programs.
Why do you keep ignoring how this hurts the hospitals in the long run?
Posted on 5/4/20 at 10:17 am to LNCHBOX
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Why do you keep ignoring how this hurts the hospitals in the long run?
Why do you keep ignoring the fact I've addressed this multiple times already, and you have yet to refute anything I've said when I have?
Posted on 5/4/20 at 10:19 am to LNCHBOX
again, 41% of what?
41% of 100 people isn't shite. Now if its 41% of 100k, then we are talking about getting even with those lost to Covid and the question begins to go further about the cure being worse than the virus.
41% of 100 people isn't shite. Now if its 41% of 100k, then we are talking about getting even with those lost to Covid and the question begins to go further about the cure being worse than the virus.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 10:19 am to Centinel
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Why do you keep ignoring the fact I've addressed this multiple times already
I haven't seen you say "wow, my logic is dumb" anywhere in this thread, so to me you haven't addressed it.
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and you have yet to refute anything I've said when I have?
I wouldn't refute it if you said it.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 10:21 am to atxfan
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Sounds like the patients themselves are choosing to put off treatment because they're scared of infection. Seems like you're trying to make it sound like a poilicy was created that denied treatment to non-COVID patients.
Some truth to that, but to me doing a video house call, I am sure my cardo doctor would just tell me to go to the ER.
Been there, done that way to many times. Posted on 5/4/20 at 10:22 am to LNCHBOX
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I haven't seen you say "wow, my logic is dumb" anywhere in this thread, so to me you haven't addressed it.
So I'll take that as you're too chickenshit to actually address what I said, even when most of it has been said by other people in this very thread.
Got it. Carry on then.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 10:23 am to Centinel
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So I'll take that as you're too chickenshit to actually address what I said, even when most of it has been said by other people in this very thread.
Got it. Carry on then.
There's nothing to address. You argument doesn't hold up to the slightest bit of critical thinking.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 10:24 am to Centinel
quote:Based on this logic, hospitals have zero control over how much funding they get back from COVID deaths, so you just debunked your own argument.
Hospitals have zero control over things getting back to normal.
quote:Most states are opening back up based on those numbers, so again, you're arguing against your own points here.
We've already flattend the curve. Hospitals are well below capacity, and have been saying so for a while now.
Guess what? We're still on lockdown, and people are still scared shitless to go anywhere near a hospital.
This post was edited on 5/4/20 at 10:25 am
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