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re: History of sub-Saharan Africa
Posted on 5/14/23 at 10:12 am to UFFan
Posted on 5/14/23 at 10:12 am to UFFan
Because most people who live there are more concerned with things like not getting eaten, not dying horribly from pestilence, disease, starvation, dehydration, poisoning, tribal warfare, and not becoming slaves of rival tribes…
Seems like a higher priority than trying to become a scribe…
Seems like a higher priority than trying to become a scribe…
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Posted on 5/14/23 at 10:13 am to tigahbruh
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If by "oral history," you mean recorded interviews, yes, that counts.
No. I mean from one person talking to another person. A voice recorder isn’t a prerequisite for something to be called history.
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You are literally incorrect.
You literally use the word literally too much considering you literally misuse the word literally.
Posted on 5/14/23 at 10:14 am to Darth_Vader
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You’re the mouth breathing idiot who thinks the European conquest of Africa was due to just “machine guns and modern technology” while not having the common sense to wonder why it was that African counties (actually tribes) were still using edged weapons and animal skin shields instead of having modern weapons of their own. fricking idiot.
Because it goes beyond what fricking weapons they used. The fact is that Sub-Saharan Africa had governments that allowed it to conduct trans Atlantic and trans pacific trade networks and fight off the British Empire during its golden age multiple times. Calling it a bunch of hunters and gatherers is not only ignorant AF but disingenuousness to the countries that interacted with them diplomatically and militarily. Did I explain this to you like you were 5 well enough or do I need to add baby yoda as an example?
Posted on 5/14/23 at 10:18 am to sumtimeitbeslikedat
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Because most people who live there are more concerned with things like not getting eaten, not dying horribly from pestilence, disease, starvation, dehydration, poisoning, tribal warfare, and not becoming slaves of rival tribes… Seems like a higher priority than trying to become a scribe…
Yes, every African lives in the jungles of Congo.
Posted on 5/14/23 at 10:20 am to sumtimeitbeslikedat
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Because most people who live there are more concerned with things like not getting eaten, not dying horribly from pestilence, disease, starvation, dehydration, poisoning, tribal warfare, and not becoming slaves of rival tribes…
Sadly enough, you probably think this is factual.
Posted on 5/14/23 at 10:23 am to RogerTheShrubber
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The modern western model is nothing like Chinas. Not in the least.
"Belt and Road" initiatives put heavy debt on nations that cannot pay it.
I respectfully disagree. There are differences, sure, but at the end of the day, it is about control, influence, and exploitation of resources. By the west. By China.
I am not arguing that either are bad or good. Just that this is how humanity has, does, and will always work.
By the way, even though there is the bad, the West brought Africa into modernity and with it: technology, medicine, etc. Hell, the British Empire almost single handedly ended the slave trade in all parts of Africa (after a century of turbo charging it).
China is a society on the rise, with very different culture, history, values. To us, it is bad (and we absolutely have to resist it) but in a broader sense, no one here is "good" or "evil." Different societies compete, and always will.
Posted on 5/14/23 at 10:29 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Precisely. Black America is the wealthiest black "nation" and in fact would be one of the wealthiest nations on earth by iteself.
There are 54 countries in Africa, Ethiopia is the 6th richest (GDP).
After Egypt, South Africa, Nigeria, Morocco there is extreme poverty and famine.
Posted on 5/14/23 at 10:30 am to udtiger
quote:Amazingly, it's still happening even today.
Destroyed by the armies of whites that trekked into the heart of the continent to capture and enslave the otherwise peaceful, nonviolent (and certainly nonslaveholding) native tribesmen living there.
Gee, I wonder why they wouldn't want that recorded and widespread.
Posted on 5/14/23 at 10:33 am to CornbreadFed
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The fact is that Sub-Saharan Africa had governments that allowed it to conduct trans Atlantic and trans pacific trade networks and fight off the British Empire
Not really. The British wouldve destroyed any one of them with a sneeze. And African kingdoms in that time period loved nothing more than the slave trade. It was their key to economic success.
It is true that Africa was not quite the stone age civ portrayed by some on here, but it is just as silly to pretend they were noble and advanced. The successful African kingdoms and tribes in that period were only that way due to collaboration with European powers.
As it turns out, history is messy, complex, and complicated.
Not sure how Guns and Steel entered the conversation, but that book is considered discredited by most contemporary historians. Less due to wokeness than just shitty scholarship. I personally have never read it so can't vouch either way
Posted on 5/14/23 at 10:35 am to pankReb
You literally use the word literally too much considering you literally misuse the word literally.
When what was written is literally factual, then "literally" is literally correctly used. History is not broadly defined.It has a specific meaning that definitely does not include undocumented oral traditions
When what was written is literally factual, then "literally" is literally correctly used. History is not broadly defined.It has a specific meaning that definitely does not include undocumented oral traditions
Posted on 5/14/23 at 10:37 am to Trevaylin
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Africa has a lot of history, mostly violent, always tribal.
Humans are violent. Our world is divided by conquest and thats never going to change.
Europe is still dealing with issues related to WWI. Those with the propensity for violence will always win.
The average American reads on a 7th-8th grade level. The issue with most cultures is a lot of very average people and few exceptional ones. Its the exceptional ones who carry the rest.
Posted on 5/14/23 at 10:40 am to udtiger
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otherwise peaceful, nonviolent (and certainly nonslaveholding) native tribesmen
Lol…I know you’re trolling.
Posted on 5/14/23 at 10:41 am to UFFan
Great Zimbabwe still exists because it was made of stone. It's now called an Iron Age city but the dates of it are hard to tie down. People still live near there but it no longer is a city.
Posted on 5/14/23 at 10:41 am to tigahbruh
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There are differences, sure, but at the end of the day, it is about control, influence, and exploitation of resources.
China is ahead of this game.
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China is now the largest funder of infrastructure projects in Africa, financially backing around a fifth of all projects and constructing a third of them.[10] A McKinsey & Company report estimates that more than 10,000 Chinese-owned firms operate in Africa
Posted on 5/14/23 at 10:56 am to tigahbruh
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Not really. The British wouldve destroyed any one of them with a sneeze. And African kingdoms in that time period loved nothing more than the slave trade. It was their key to economic success. It is true that Africa was not quite the stone age civ portrayed by some on here, but it is just as silly to pretend they were noble and advanced. The successful African kingdoms and tribes in that period were only that way due to collaboration with European powers. As it turns out, history is messy, complex, and complicated.
I never said that they were noble and advanced. My stance is that they weren’t these backwards Hunter and gatherer tribes like Disney fan boy stated. Your first statement is also a huge cope. The fact is that the British struggled in Africa more-so than any other continent against white and black Africans. They didn’t start to make any real progress in the continent until modern weapon technology became available to them. Even so, they barely had any grasp on most of its African colonies which can be seen to this day in places like Nigeria.
This post was edited on 5/14/23 at 10:59 am
Posted on 5/14/23 at 11:16 am to sugar71
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Kush had its own Meroitic script & stretches back over 4000 years.
Thank you for proving my point. Kush got its writing directly from the Egyptians and Kush was not SubSaharan.
Posted on 5/14/23 at 11:19 am to RogerTheShrubber
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There are differences, sure, but at the end of the day, it is about control, influence, and exploitation of resources.
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China is ahead of this game.
China has legitimate problems brewing in that regard.
LINK
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China hit by surge in Belt and Road bad loans
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Global finance scheme becomes millstone for Beijing as $78bn renegotiated or written off in past 3 years
China’s $1tn Belt and Road Initiative infrastructure finance programme has been hit by spiralling bad loans, with more than $78bn-worth of borrowing turning sour over the past three years.
Posted on 5/14/23 at 11:29 am to udtiger
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Destroyed by the armies of whites that trekked into the heart of the continent to capture and enslave the otherwise peaceful, nonviolent (and certainly nonslaveholding) native tribesmen living there.
You laugh, but I once had a coworker that truly believed this.
Posted on 5/14/23 at 11:33 am to RogerTheShrubber
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China is ahead of this game
Completely agreed.
The West needs to wake up.
My earlier point is that China is just one -upping the West in what the West used to do really well (for good or ill- or both simultaneously)
Posted on 5/14/23 at 1:10 pm to tigahbruh
China controls nearly all the cobalt in Africa
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