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re: History Buffs: What Would Have Been The Consequences If We Had Not Gotten Involved in WWII
Posted on 7/2/20 at 2:35 pm to whitetiger1234
Posted on 7/2/20 at 2:35 pm to whitetiger1234
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Yeah, I'm just not as educated about WWI as I am about WWII.
Well let’s just say most of the hypotheticals I’m talking about would mean WWII would have never happened
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Posted on 7/2/20 at 2:35 pm to OBReb6
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The “what if” hypotheticals from WWI are way more thought provoking imo
WW1 was a pretty bananas war. It's a shame it's not taught more in schools.
Even the way America was finally drawn into it was pretty crazy, and sort of dumb luck, for lack of a better word.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 2:37 pm to red sox fan 13
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If the USA continues lend lease, I think the Soviets would eventually turn the tide in a long and brutal war and sweep across Europe by 1950. If the USA never does lend lease, I think the Germans beat the Russians and we see a sort of fortress Europa thing that collapses in on itself when Hitler dies.
Setting aside that it was not possible for us to sit the conflict out, even hypothetically, unless Japan was totally removed from the equation or we get into ridiculous scenarios like the US ignoring declarations of war against it or invasions of its territory.....
The British and Commonwealth forces would eventually have opened the western front in the same general manner as DDay. Just would have taken them longer to get prepared to do so.
Germany was never going to win the Second World War from the moment it started, and there’s really no potential scenario in which they could have done so.
They could never have taken the British Isles, and as was made very clear in the East, they could not eat the bear.
This post was edited on 7/2/20 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 7/2/20 at 2:38 pm to The Spleen
It really is
I recently listened to about 20-25 hours worth of Dan Carlin Hardcore History on WWI and had no idea how little I knew or understood, and I think this goes for the vast majority of people.
It was so damn tragic at every turn, truly horrifying
I recently listened to about 20-25 hours worth of Dan Carlin Hardcore History on WWI and had no idea how little I knew or understood, and I think this goes for the vast majority of people.
It was so damn tragic at every turn, truly horrifying
Posted on 7/2/20 at 2:38 pm to whitetiger1234
All of Europe becomes part of the USSR.
Hitter loses WW2 even if we don’t Mmi the enter into the war. The Soviets stopped his Eastward advance cold and began a westward push. Outside of Hitler developing the bomb, which seems unlikely , the Soviets push west until they hit the Atlantic.
Hitter loses WW2 even if we don’t Mmi the enter into the war. The Soviets stopped his Eastward advance cold and began a westward push. Outside of Hitler developing the bomb, which seems unlikely , the Soviets push west until they hit the Atlantic.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 2:38 pm to OBReb6
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Well let’s just say most of the hypotheticals I’m talking about would mean WWII would have never happened
The world would be a better place had Britain stayed out of WW1 and the Germans taken Paris in August/September of 1914.
Not saying they should have stayed out in the moment, but hindsight is 20/20. A protracted WW1 gave us WW2 and global communism.
This post was edited on 7/2/20 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 7/2/20 at 2:40 pm to Indefatigable
Agreed
Posted on 7/2/20 at 2:41 pm to whitetiger1234
The Soviets would have just kept throwing numbers at the Germans and eventually won.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 2:41 pm to OBReb6
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I recently listened to about 20-25 hours worth of Dan Carlin Hardcore History on WWI
I never finished it. It's a slog. I should pick it back up from the beginning as it has been a couple of years I think.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 2:42 pm to whitetiger1234
quote:Because HBO didn't produce a bunch of cool WWI miniseries.
Yeah, I'm just not as educated about WWI as I am about WWII.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 2:42 pm to The Spleen
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I never finished it. It's a slog. I should pick it back up from the beginning as it has been a couple of years I think.
Blueprint for Armageddon in its entirety is an absolute must for anyone interested in the First World War.
This post was edited on 7/2/20 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 7/2/20 at 2:43 pm to Gravitiger
Actually kind of true.
I became interested in WWII after watching Band of brothers with my dad when I was very young. Ever since then, I've always loved learning about it.
I became interested in WWII after watching Band of brothers with my dad when I was very young. Ever since then, I've always loved learning about it.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 2:45 pm to BlackenedOut
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Recall I answered unequivocally that he was a megalomaniac and therefore he would have never stopped, but he should cashed in his chips after taking France so quickly.
The easy answer is to continue the blitz non-stop to Dunkirk, wipeout the Brits for all intent, cross the English Channel, topple England, and stop.
If they did that, never went East, and convinced the Japs not to attack Pearl Harbor then no way FDR ever sends Americans to Europe.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 2:46 pm to whitetiger1234
Posted on 7/2/20 at 2:48 pm to AUriptide
Yes, Operation Barbarossa Jun 22, 1941 – Dec 5, 1941, ended a few days before German declared war on us.
I've wondered
What if Hitler would have flipped the script and on December 11th denounce that attack on Pearl and declare war on Japan instead of the United States?
I've wondered
What if Hitler would have flipped the script and on December 11th denounce that attack on Pearl and declare war on Japan instead of the United States?
Posted on 7/2/20 at 2:49 pm to whitetiger1234
quote:Yeah, I wasn't just being snarky. The vast majority of Americans probably didn't know much about WWII till Tom Brokaw published The Greatest Generation, which inspired Band of Brothers.
Actually kind of true.
I became interested in WWII after watching Band of brothers with my dad when I was very young. Ever since then, I've always loved learning about it.
This post was edited on 7/2/20 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 7/2/20 at 2:49 pm to Indefatigable
They could have “won” by securing a European victory. They screwed themselves in Britain when they elected to blitz their cities instead of bombing the shite out of their factories and airports and relying on weak British leadership to knock Britain out of the war. In terms of the Soviet Union if they encouraged the Ukrainians to rise up that could have helped a lot. The Germans should have also dug in winter of 1941 and rode out the Soviet counterattack and resupplied. Then continue the assault in the spring when the rains eased up. It’s a long shot but it is feasible.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 2:53 pm to TigerintheNO
He should have said Germany won’t declare on the USA until Japan declared on the USSR. In reality though the USA had already been fighting an undeclared war against Germany for a while at that point.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 2:55 pm to Gravitiger
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The vast majority of Americans probably didn't know much about WWII till Tom Brokaw wrote The Greatest Generation , which inspired Band of Brothers, which inspired The Pacific.
Perhaps, but WW2 has always been a little more mainstream than WW1 has been. The only things I knew about WW1 until 5 or 10 years ago were the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand and 2 of my great grandfathers shipped out of Jacksonville, Florida a few weeks apart but never met each other until their respective kids got married 20 years later.
We learned D-Day, Pearl Harbor, Hitler, rationing of goods in the US, etc. in high school in the late 80's. All we learned about WW1 was the Ferdinand assassination.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 2:55 pm to whitetiger1234
Almost no one living now would be here, world wide. This event was big enough to affect earth’s entire population. Only those born before the war would be the same people living today.
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