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re: High school student suspended for wearing Confederate flag attire

Posted on 1/23/19 at 4:48 pm to
Posted by LSU Neil
Springfield
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Posted on 1/23/19 at 4:48 pm to
Of course...not surprising.
Posted by Kentucker
Rabbit Hash, KY
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 1/23/19 at 4:49 pm to
All schools, public and private, should require school uniforms. Schools are for education, not political statements.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 1/23/19 at 4:52 pm to
Maybe it's prime for snowflakes to deal with dissenting opinions and not freak out because of a symbol. High school is a good place to start.

Protecting these people is bad for them
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
53809 posts
Posted on 1/23/19 at 4:57 pm to
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All schools, public and private, should require school uniforms. Schools are for education, not political statements.

They pretty much all do here. I can't think of any that don't actually. We didn't wear them when I was in school though.
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
83186 posts
Posted on 1/23/19 at 4:58 pm to
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Maybe it's prime for snowflakes to deal with dissenting opinions and not freak out because of a symbol. High school is a good place to start.

Protecting these people is bad for them


It's called a symbol because it symbolizes something. It's crazy how narrow-minded you are being about this.

Am I offended by the confederate flag? No.

Do I see how someone can be offended by the confederate flag? Yes.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37536 posts
Posted on 1/23/19 at 4:59 pm to
quote:

Maybe it's prime for snowflakes to deal with dissenting opinions and not freak out because of a symbol. High school is a good place to start.


I love this statement. This website is the beacon of people getting bent out shape about shite they don't agree with, but if you don't like their opinion you're a snowflake
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 1/23/19 at 4:59 pm to
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It's called a symbol because it symbolizes something.


You get triggered by symbols

Is the hammer and sickle as offensive as the swastika?
Posted by Sidicous
NELA
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 1/23/19 at 5:00 pm to
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If they had worn Rainbow Flags people would be slobbering and calling them brave.
Or a Mexican or Honduran flag. Libs love so-called immigrants displaying their loyalty to 3rd world shitholes.
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
83186 posts
Posted on 1/23/19 at 5:01 pm to
quote:

You get triggered by symbols


I'm triggered because I disagree with you?

quote:

Is the hammer and sickle as offensive as the swastika?



They're both pretty offensive and represent failed attempts at fear-mongering. I don't think that's even subjective.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
42652 posts
Posted on 1/23/19 at 5:09 pm to
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I'm triggered because I disagree with you? 

You justified the banning of the Confederate Flag at high schools because it may offend someone. If that's the standard to be used, any item of expression can be censored, since being offended is a wholly subjective matter.

I'm offended by Ralph Lauren and Tommy Hilfiger's labor practices, ban their clothes! The Cowboys signed Greg Hardy the abuser! Ban their jerseys! College football is slavery! No team logos! Next thing you know American high schools resemble Raymond Cocteau's dystopia in Demolition Man.
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
83186 posts
Posted on 1/23/19 at 5:11 pm to
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You justified the banning of the Confederate Flag at high schools because it may offend someone. If that's the standard to be used, any item of expression can be censored, since being offended is a wholly subjective matter.



So where is the line drawn?

Should kids be able to tell their teacher to "frick off" in class because he is expressing himself?

ETA: It goes both ways, you say if we ban the confederate flag, then what else can be banned? Well my question is if we allow the confederate flag, then what else can be allowed? There is a happy medium somewhere.
This post was edited on 1/23/19 at 5:13 pm
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
42652 posts
Posted on 1/23/19 at 5:13 pm to
A shirt, in and of itself, is an inanimate object and not disruptive. The image or symbol on a shirt didn't tell a teacher to frick off, the student did.
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
83186 posts
Posted on 1/23/19 at 5:15 pm to
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A shirt, in and of itself, is an inanimate object and not disruptive. The image or symbol on a shirt didn't tell a teacher to frick off, the student did.



So can a kid say "frick" in class as long as he's not being disruptive?
This post was edited on 1/23/19 at 5:15 pm
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
42652 posts
Posted on 1/23/19 at 5:16 pm to
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Well my question is if we allow the confederate flag, then what else can be allowed? There is a happy medium somewhere.

I think you either ban it all or allow it all. Have a strict uniform policy with no deviations or allow anything. The inconsistent application of these policies to me is worse than a school district that tells its kids you're here to learn, not be a political or fashion symbol.
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
83186 posts
Posted on 1/23/19 at 5:17 pm to
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I think you either ban it all or allow it all.


That's hella narrow-minded. There has to be degrees involved.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 1/23/19 at 5:24 pm to
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but if you don't like their opinion you're a snowflake


Your reading comp is terrible. Not surprising for such a pretender
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
11492 posts
Posted on 1/23/19 at 5:25 pm to
I don't get how people still don't get it about the flag. If I wore it, I'd expect black people to be pissed and want to fight me. They take it as a sign of aggression. So why would you try to incite people like this? They are never going to see it as anything other than a flag of hate. It just seems unnecessary..
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 1/23/19 at 5:25 pm to
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So where is the line drawn?


Let's help people grow up and not be afraid of symbols

Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
42652 posts
Posted on 1/23/19 at 5:25 pm to
I don't see how you can consistently apply these policies though. I used the FCA example earlier because I was in the 8th grade when Columbine happened. Marilyn Manson caught a lot of shite for that and my high school wanted to ban the goth kids (there weren't many) from wearing his shirts. There was a lot of tension between them and the rednecks who thought they and anybody like them were freaks.

My point is, were the rednecks offended by Marilyn Manson clothing? Yes. Was there a justification? One could argue that the goth lifestyle and Manson's lyrics celebrated perverse sadism and masochism, which could negatively impact an impressionable teenager.

Using the same standard that you used for banning the Confederate Flag, the Marilyn Manson shirts would be banned. I don't think the reaction from liberals would be quite the same as it would for banning an item they dislike. That's the problem though, almost no one is objective enough to enforce these kinds of policies.
This post was edited on 1/23/19 at 5:30 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 1/23/19 at 5:27 pm to
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That's hella narrow-minded. There has to be degrees involved.


Who decides? The most offended? That's how you choose to run society?
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