re: Here's Why the Tesla Model 3 Is the Coolest Car of 2017

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I do understand what you're saying. And I'm saying you're a fan boy who doesn't let facts influence your opinion of TSLA.

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I'm fanboy because I decided against a Model 3 for some of these very reasons?

Man, you're on fire!!!!

I simply stated if you like Tesla, know the history of Tesla, and want a Model 3, you should expect delays. Please tell me which of those points you disagree with.

You're speaking on emotion and fanboy irrelevant stuff, I'm speaking on the reality of things. You're also speaking on the business side of a lot of things with TSLA, if you will. It is possible for someone to like and want a car and not give a shite about how the business of the car company is doing.

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But I'm a car guy, so l could never completely get on board with electric.

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That’s ridiculous. They make a car that does 0-60 in 3 seconds. They have entered the toughest business to get into and in less than 7 years, not only do they make a competitive product, they’ve taken market share from the big guys. Not Ford & GM: Porsche, Audi, MB, etc. That’s pretty amazing.

A real “car guy” can appreciate innovation. In my town there’s a CEO of an oil company who drives a Model S, which is great.

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Do you actually believe Tesla's management debated whether or not to accept federal tax credits and they used some kind of brilliant analysis to conclude it was in their company's best interest to accept millions of free dollars from taxpayers?

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No

We can keep skirting the real points if you want, that's fine.

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In my town there’s a CEO of an oil company who drives a Model S, which is great.

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My company's execs all make 7-8 figures. Their parking lot has a few Teslas sitting in between the Maseratis, Range Rovers, and a single ASton Martin Vanquish that gets my pants tight when I walk past it.

I drove one of the higher end Teslas through a friend, and the pickup is insane. It was like a golf cart with rocket boosters. Took several laps around my neighborhood to get used to it. Just about gave us both whiplash just trying to ease off the line at green lights.

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My best friend was slated to get his December of this year, but he also loves Tesla so he never took that date seriously.

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The key to happiness for fanboys is low expectations?

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ETA: I understand Musk being a bit childish when it comes to admiting his shortcomings and that’s fine - he is a strange and egotistic guy. But to just bash the company for no reason other than government subsidies is shortsighted. Tesla and SpaceX are American born and grown companies that, as far as I know, employ Americans in America lol. Meanwhile, “American” auto manufacturers like GM, Ford, and Chrysler outsource manufacturing to Mexico and still take government subsidies...so what am I missing? What makes Tesla so evil? It’s a US company revolutionizing a global market, shouldn’t we be supportive of it?

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Like many tech companies, the fanboys can turn off the neutral folks. I'm not suggesting that's a logical reason to dislike Tesla, but it happens.

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The key to happiness for fanboys is low expectations?

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It wasn't worded well there, but I've stated it a few other times when I say "loves Tesla" I followed it up by stating that also means he knows about Tesla, so he knows that will bring about delays.

Also, I still don't get your point entirely. He likes the car, he knows the car will come in later than December of this year. He likes the car enough to wait a bit longer to get it. What's your issue? I honestly don't get it.

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Personally, my "main gripe" is Musk has not achieved a single forecast on time that he has ever announced for Tesla. It's a credit to him that he can continue to influence investors to buy TSLA stock with that kind of failing track record.

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I read a good article the other day that was based on a letter from David Einhorn. He basically said company valuation techniques are dead, and even the prospect of being profitable is irrelevant if you're considered a disruptive company. Thought it was a pretty interesting perspective.

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Who in this thread has said that it their "main gripe" with Tesla?

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Read page 1 or any other Tesla thread.

You're being horribly disingenuous if you don't think the subsidies isn't arguably the top gripe from posters who hate Elon. Even still, maybe it's the 2nd biggest gripe, point still stands.

If you're talking about from a business perspective and stating how much trouble they'd be in without the subsidies, I take no issues with that. But when people are just rambling about hating Elon and subsidies are almost always at or near the top of that list, that's just illogical IMO.

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Personally, my "main gripe" is Musk has not achieved a single forecast on time that he has ever announced for Tesla. It's a credit to him that he can continue to influence investors to buy TSLA stock with that kind of failing track record.

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Like I said, your main gripe is from a business perspective, zero issues there. If someone just fricking loves the car, knows there will be delays from original target dates, but they would prefer to wait a few extra months and get the car they want as opposed to getting a car they want less just because they could get it a few months early, why is that an issue or why does that make someone a "fanboy"?