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re: Help me with my religion struggles

Posted on 8/5/18 at 11:12 pm to
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 8/5/18 at 11:12 pm to
I'm not Catholic, but acting as if pedophilia is an actual part of Tradition or the Magisterium is absurd. I am more than happy to discuss the absurdity of ecclesiastical celibacy (which I think contributes to pedophilic problems), but don't act as if accepting it is part and parcel of the Faith.
Posted by Flat Stanley
Austin
Member since May 2018
164 posts
Posted on 8/5/18 at 11:12 pm to
That’s assuming that atheists don’t go to heaven if they are wrong
Posted by Loungefly85
Lafayette
Member since Jul 2016
7930 posts
Posted on 8/5/18 at 11:13 pm to
Here’s a suggestion.

Have your own faith, or don’t. Do whatever makes you happy.

The first rule about faith, don’t talk about faith.

It’s nobody's business but your own.

Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
74090 posts
Posted on 8/5/18 at 11:14 pm to
quote:

“Remember, young man, unceasingly,” Father Paissy began, without preface, “that the science of this world, which has become a great power, has, especially in the last century, analysed everything divine handed down to us in the holy books. After this cruel analysis the learned of this world have nothing left of all that was sacred of old. But they have only analysed the parts and overlooked the whole, and indeed their blindness is marvellous. Yet the whole still stands steadfast before their eyes, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Has it not lasted nineteen centuries, is it not still a living, a moving power in the individual soul and in the masses of people? It is still as strong and living even in the souls of atheists, who have destroyed everything! For even those who have renounced Christianity and attack it, in their inmost being still follow the Christian ideal, for hitherto neither their subtlety nor the ardour of their hearts has been able to create a higher ideal of man and of virtue than the ideal given by Christ of old. When it has been attempted, the result has been only grotesque. Remember this especially, young man, since you are being sent into the world by your departing elder. Maybe, remembering this great day, you will not forget my words, uttered from the heart for your guidance, seeing you are young, and the temptations of the world are great and beyond your strength to endure. Well, now go, my orphan.”


- Fyodor Dostoevesky, The Brothers Karamazov
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 8/5/18 at 11:14 pm to
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That’s assuming that atheists don’t go to heaven if they are wrong

a little deeper than that, the priest believes he will go to heaven and those that don't believe will go to hell, where as the atheist just thinks he'll go to a dirt nap
Posted by LintLicker
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2017
609 posts
Posted on 8/5/18 at 11:15 pm to
See my edited post bruh
Posted by go ta hell ole miss
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 8/5/18 at 11:15 pm to
Do you believe Jesus was celibate?
Posted by Houma Sapien
up the bayou
Member since Jul 2013
1688 posts
Posted on 8/5/18 at 11:16 pm to
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I'm not Catholic, but acting as if pedophilia is an actual part of Tradition or the Magisterium is absurd


The acts of pedophilia were one thing. But the concerted effort to conceal them were just as bad If not worse. This went on worldwide, so yes, you can say it was part of "tradition"
Posted by go ta hell ole miss
Member since Jan 2007
14655 posts
Posted on 8/5/18 at 11:17 pm to
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The first rule about faith, don’t talk about faith. It’s nobody's business but your own


Glad the Apostles did not feel this when then they spread their faith to Gentiles. That whole Fishers of Men thing must have been a misinterpretation of scripture, huh?
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
91877 posts
Posted on 8/5/18 at 11:17 pm to
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you can say it was part of "tradition"

more sports board
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
56691 posts
Posted on 8/5/18 at 11:18 pm to
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Do you believe Jesus was celibate?



In terms of Scriptural understanding, yes. What actually happened is beyond my knowledge and is immaterial to my religious practice.

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The acts of pedophilia were one thing. But the concerted effort to conceal them were just as bad If not worse. This went on worldwide, so yes, you can say it was part of "tradition"


Incorrect. Actual Tradition, understood properly, condemns such acts with impunity. Again, I am not Catholic (Orthodox, for the record), but to assign the awful actions of certain clergy to the Faith itself is disegenuous. Want to call it corruption of the Church? Cool by me.
This post was edited on 8/5/18 at 11:21 pm
Posted by Flat Stanley
Austin
Member since May 2018
164 posts
Posted on 8/5/18 at 11:18 pm to
Yeah, i get the premise, it’s not that deep. It’s still based on the priests dumb assumption that atheists don’t go to heaven if they don’t believe in heaven
Posted by athenslife101
Member since Feb 2013
20462 posts
Posted on 8/5/18 at 11:18 pm to
Maybe you should be Preysbeterian ;). That's often a subject I've seen when I went to that church. They often say it's an issue that everyone struggles with, but accept you do your best and be good.

As to the concept of God. I haven't really struggled to much. Whether he's an all knowing sentient entity who actively intervenes in people's lives is something else entirely and that's for each person to decide. But at its base level, I see God as nature. The world in which we live in. The rules and constraints and possibilities that have erupted from the beginning of time. And when we live with nature, we do live with God.
Posted by Celery
Nuevo York
Member since Nov 2010
11682 posts
Posted on 8/5/18 at 11:19 pm to
Agnosticism requires no commitment. It just means that you don’t know and your open to believing or not believing or just not knowing.
Also, you can believe there is a God and still not believe in all the religion hokus-pokus that men made up.
Posted by LSUcajun77
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2008
24329 posts
Posted on 8/5/18 at 11:20 pm to
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Also, you can believe there is a God and still not believe in all the religion hokus-pokus that men made up.


Bingo.

Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
91877 posts
Posted on 8/5/18 at 11:21 pm to
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the religion hokus-pokus that men made up.

it definitely seems to have gotten ooc
Posted by BigAppleTiger
New York City
Member since Dec 2008
11035 posts
Posted on 8/5/18 at 11:23 pm to
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key is to not think too much
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
91877 posts
Posted on 8/5/18 at 11:25 pm to
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priests dumb assumption that atheists don’t go to heaven if they don’t believe in heaven

I think the premise is that if they believe in JC, and that he died on the cross for the sins of all mankind, and that if they will ask him for forgiveness of said sins, they get a pass to the ultimate all inclusive resort, otherwise, your arse is going straight to hellabama
Posted by lsufan112001
sportsmans paradise
Member since Oct 2006
11217 posts
Posted on 8/5/18 at 11:28 pm to
Do your own reading and not rely on what the church tells you. It’s a hard thing to want to believe yet there is no proof.
It does feel better to believe.
Posted by TigerJeff
the Emerald Coast
Member since Oct 2006
16356 posts
Posted on 8/5/18 at 11:30 pm to
I share your belief about the Catholic Church. Why would you want to “commit” to athiesm? Atheism is non-belief. You are “committing” to nothing. You have to remember that God is the other — a Being wholly different than Man. As hard as it is to do, you cannot base a belief in God upon your life events, We know that bad things happen to good people. You have to start with the faith premise that there is a God, and work from there, rather than look for evidence He exists in your life’s events. Yes, it is very hard.
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