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re: Help me with my religion struggles

Posted on 8/6/18 at 1:59 pm to
Posted by bawbarn
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Posted on 8/6/18 at 1:59 pm to
It's also funny, the deuterocanonical books were included in the Greek edition of the Old Testament, which the apostles used to evangelize the world. These books were obviously accepted by Christ's disciples. Also, Heb 11:35 references a story from II Macabees 7.

Quotes from Wisdom are found in one of the earliest Christian writings in I Clement. Some of the earliest Church fathers refer to these books, and these Church fathers were the disciples of the Apostles. These books were not taken out until 500 years ago, conveniently, since the 7 books teach Catholic doctrine.
This post was edited on 8/6/18 at 2:00 pm
Posted by ctiger69
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 8/6/18 at 2:04 pm to
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there is evidence piling up that DMT is produced in the pineal gland and released at death.


What about people who have this same experience when they are not at near death and they are healthy such as when they go to asleep? Why do their NDE match others and why is it when Atheist have these NDE’s they are in Hell begging to get out and then they convert to becoming a follower of Jesus immediately afterwards?

If your LSD argument is sound then there should be a high % of drug users on LSD who are converting to Christianity.
This post was edited on 8/6/18 at 2:18 pm
Posted by celltech1981
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 8/6/18 at 2:29 pm to
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If your LSD argument is sound then there should be a high % of drug users on LSD who are converting to Christianity.




lsd is not dmt.

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Why do their NDE match others


a lot of the DMT trips are similar. "breaking through" is a common term among users...it is when you take enough to see some sort of "entity" who speaks to you.

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why is it when Atheist have these NDE’s they are in Hell begging to get out and then they convert to becoming a follower of Jesus immediately afterwards?



this isn't the case with every atheist, the world doesn't work like the "god's not dead" movies. It's probably projection, though. There are cases where people have NDE and describe witnessing other gods than Abrahamic gods. Look up Hindu NDEs lol. This phenomenon isn't unique to jesus.
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 8/6/18 at 5:16 pm to
Neither the Jews nor the Protestants consider the deutorocanonical nor the apocrypha yo be divinely inspired. And as to your Heb. 11:35 verse usage, the cross reference to that verse is from 1 Kings, nothing of the Macabees or the book of wisdom.
Posted by feverish
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 8/6/18 at 8:14 pm to
Jews also consider Christ a false prophet so great argument. The earliest Christians included those books in their old testament when evangelizing. Lets take the decision of a Catholic monk with a warped view of theology and a fixation for the anus over Holy Mother Church which was founded at the first Pentecost..
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 8/6/18 at 8:19 pm to
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The earliest Christians included those books in their old testament when evangelizing.


Can you prove that?
Posted by feverish
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 8/6/18 at 8:27 pm to
Early Christians read the Greek translation of the Old Testament, the Septuagint.
Posted by feverish
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Posted on 8/6/18 at 8:37 pm to
Jews met to discuss their canon of the old testament around at the end of the first century. They obviously did not include the New Testament nor the seven Old Testament books nor portions of Esther and Daniel. Even after this meeting they did not settle on a common canon with it being debated into the second and third century. There was not a common canon of the old testament among jews during the time of Christ.
Posted by bawbarn
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 8/6/18 at 8:58 pm to
I Clement uses a quote from the book of Wisdom. The Didache uses the book of Sirach. Polycarp uses Tobit...etc..
Posted by bawbarn
Member since Jul 2012
4009 posts
Posted on 8/6/18 at 9:07 pm to
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And as to your Heb. 11:35 verse usage, the cross reference to that verse is from 1 Kings, nothing of the Macabees or the book of wisdom.


That isn't correct. No where in the Protestant bible can you see a story of someone being tortured and refusing to accept release for the sake of a better resurrection. That is found in the deuterocanonical book Maccabees.
Posted by Marciano1
Marksville, LA
Member since Jun 2009
20024 posts
Posted on 9/9/19 at 2:10 pm to
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I would recommend participating in an ACTS retreat

I attended one this year. Great experience and would highly recommend it to anyone searching for something or trying to strengthen their faith.
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