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re: Helene - Recovery Begins...Devastating Flash Flooding in Western NC and Eastern TN

Posted on 9/24/24 at 12:22 pm to
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 9/24/24 at 12:22 pm to
Rooting for those low end blue models
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 9/24/24 at 12:23 pm to
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What’s the outlook for the Orlando area?



Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105285 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 12:25 pm to
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so it is imperative to not focus on specific landfall locations this far in the future.



Two fricking days?

Let's extrapolate this to if Francine had been a Cat 5. Was the NHC planning to tell everybody from Lake Charles to New Orleans to evacuate because they couldn't pin it down any better?
Posted by Thracken13
Aft Cargo Hold of Serenity
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 9/24/24 at 12:27 pm to
different situation honestly
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 9/24/24 at 12:29 pm to
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different situation honestly


Not really

The center of Francine still hadnt really formed 2-3 days out. Similar situation
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
66950 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 12:29 pm to
This storm is quickly organizing I'm impressed that they're able to predict what they are able to right now
Posted by Duke
Dillon, CO
Member since Jan 2008
36494 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 12:36 pm to
HAFS suite came in weaker but it's because it gets the center over the Yucatan for a good 18 hours.

The HWRF and HMON did not and are coming in quite a bit deeper as a result.
Posted by Xignals
Pits of Hell
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 9/24/24 at 12:39 pm to
To the untrained eye that is fricking awesome and awful at the same time.
Posted by Thracken13
Aft Cargo Hold of Serenity
Member since Feb 2010
18853 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 12:42 pm to
yes it is - with the outside influences and location of where it is, it is a completely different situation.

Francine's situation was predicated on the influence of stuff that did not materialize until later than expected.

with Helene you are already seeing the influence of the High to the east.

look im not an expert - but the discussions of both storms has been pretty different in terms of predictions.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 9/24/24 at 12:47 pm to
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Let's extrapolate this to if Francine had been a Cat 5. Was the NHC planning to tell everybody from Lake Charles to New Orleans to evacuate because they couldn't pin it down any better?


What do you want them to do, lie?
Posted by LoneStar23
USA
Member since Aug 2019
5822 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 12:47 pm to
This thing keeps shifting west
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
42294 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 12:50 pm to
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Giving themselves wiggle room for their big miss


Saying shifting the entire guidance suite caught my attention.
Posted by Wally Sparks
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 9/24/24 at 12:55 pm to
TS-level winds in Atlanta is going to probably snap a ton of our dry trees.
Posted by slackster
Houston
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Posted on 9/24/24 at 12:55 pm to
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This thing keeps shifting west


Do you understand cardinal directions?
Posted by NorthEndZone
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 9/24/24 at 12:57 pm to
Posted by Thracken13
Aft Cargo Hold of Serenity
Member since Feb 2010
18853 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 1:05 pm to
woof......when that convection finally wraps in - hold the frick on.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105285 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 1:06 pm to
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What do you want them to do, lie?


I want them to acknowledge that a lot of what they do is guesswork. But they won't because it would raise uncomfortable questions about whether we're getting our money's worth from their budget.

They can write a five paragraph update full of jargon and data, but if they can't tell me two days in advance whether a storm is coming straight at me or 150 miles to my east, that is not actionable intelligence.

Bruce Katz was right about Francine and he had far fewer resources than the NHC.

Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87347 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 1:07 pm to
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TS-level winds in Atlanta is going to probably snap a ton of our dry trees


Obviously Opal did it, but we've mostly avoided these scenarios. Zeta tore up our area pretty well in Buckhead/Sandy Springs and I think those gusts topped out at alike 50ish.

Trees giveth and they taketh away
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 9/24/24 at 1:08 pm to
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Jim Rockford

LINK
Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
25893 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 1:10 pm to
What day did that last storm hit? A week ago?
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