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re: Have a Toyota Tundra? Dealers likely won't take it for a trade-in due to engine failures
Posted on 6/14/24 at 10:20 am to frequent flyer
Posted on 6/14/24 at 10:20 am to frequent flyer
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IDK...the new Tundras actually are junk.
They've identified the issue and will make it right, Publicly.
I had my transmission break on a Chevy back in around 2009 (when I decided not to go with a Toyota). Got it hauled to the dealership. Go in the next morning to talk about the repairs. They said they knew exactly what it was since the Tahoe, Avalanche, and Suburban all had the same transmission. I said, so it's a warranty issue then. They said it is not, but we are going to fix it free of cost.
So while it did get fixed, Chevy was hiding and hoping it wouldn't break so as not to have to issue a recall. Playing the odds that most would last beyond the warranty and then it would be on the owners to shoulder the cost.
frick that. Never will buy a GM vehicle again, ever.
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Posted on 6/14/24 at 10:25 am to AwesomeSauce
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Honestly compared to the big 3 that's a pretty quick fix and diagnosis,
This is massively false, unfortunately.
If it needs to be fixed, the repair is an engine rebuild including a short block replacement. It takes weeks and costs about $30,000 in parts and labor. Toyota has already replaced thousands because they are failing. It’s a cab off repair.
And Toyota uses one engine design in their truck. So this problem is a much bigger proportion of their total sales than the other manufacturers.
It’s the bottom half of the engine that grenades. None of the big 3 have that catastrophic of a problem. Occasional cam phasers or valve lifters from Ford are a much faster, much cheaper repair.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 10:26 am to Harlan County USA
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I wish Ford would recall these sorry assed 5.0's like in my F150 that everyone that owns one knows they stall. Dealer wants 4K to replace cam phasers, timing chain, and solenoids.
Don't buy a Ford F150 with a 5.0. I did, to avoid issues with their ecoboost engines, and have had nothing but problems with the 5.0.
Ford has had problems in general with a lot of their vehicles lately. My buddy's F350 and his wife's Bronco are less than a year old each, and both have been in and out of the service department for various reasons.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 10:34 am to member12
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Related news....Toyota's failure is Alabama's gain, since they'll be sourcing the replacement engine/engine parts from Huntsville.
This is a short term positive, but ultimately this is going to hammer Toyota’s reputation.
If the issue was caused by poor quality at the alabama manufacturing location I would bet those 350 new jobs are going to be temporary.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 10:35 am to member12
Japanese and euros make best vehicles around. Americans make pos that fall apart.
Cue. Lawsuit after lawsuit win over asian and euro lawmakers for fricking Americans over and lying to them
Cue even more major recalls by asian and euro motor makers.
Dumbasses
Cue. Lawsuit after lawsuit win over asian and euro lawmakers for fricking Americans over and lying to them
Cue even more major recalls by asian and euro motor makers.
Dumbasses
Posted on 6/14/24 at 10:36 am to MoarKilometers
2012 Tundra 5.7 V8 owner here. There were some sealant issues on the cam towers that I had to pay to get repaired, but otherwise it's been a very solid truck.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 10:41 am to frequent flyer
quote:I did not say it was not an incredibly grave issue that they are having to correct. Only that the turnaround was quicker than what we have seen from the big 3. It appears they found the issue and late 23 and all 24 are not effected by the issue and they are working to have it fixed across the board to remedy.Ford (since you brought them up) had known issues in 2010 on the ecboost that they did not fix in design or issue significant recalls to remedy until late 2017 with the redesign (last i read there were still open suits against Ford because they knew the design flaws and refused to remedy most of the time). You also had the oil pump issue on several ecoboosts leading to catastrophic failure that Ford ignored until they had an open investigation by the NHTSA on them several years after it was a common knowledge defect.
This is massively false
So, yes the issue is a much larger scale due to volume and the costs, but Toyota is fixing it and not ignoring it like the other 3 have been known to do for issues that would cost them less to fix. Is that because 50k issues for Toyota is significantly more than 100k issues for the other 3? I would imagine that plays a role. It's also quite possible that this recall could cost Toyota more than the fixes by the big 3 combined when all is said and done. The difference is the big 3 know their volume especially on leases and cars that will be secondhand by the time parts fail is high enough that they will have the intial buyer on a second or third vehicle most of the time, whereas Toyota knows their stake is in longevity and fixing this will make sure in 2035 when they are still using this powertrain and the big three are on their third or fourth in the same time it will be the expectation of reliability.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 10:41 am to boxcarbarney
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Ford has had problems in general with a lot of their vehicles lately
Unfortunately very true. But their turbo engines have mostly been sorted. It was a painful process but they figured most of it out.
If you put a lot of miles on your rig, I’d go with the GMC Duramax. It’s higher maintenance being a diesel but they are great engines and an incredibly efficient Isuzu design.
If you put fewer miles on your truck or want a lower MSRP - I’d go with the 2.7L turbo Ford or GM/Chevy. They have both proven reliable and powerful but not overly efficient.
Unfortunately for an V8 you only have the Ford and GM trucks now because Ram is switching to a twin turbo I-6. Not sure how long they will keep these V8’s but I love the ones they have.
I’m sure Toyota will update the Tundra and fix a lot of these issues with the body work, transmission, and design.. And they’ll figure out how to build these twin turbo motors reliably too. It’s just taking far longer than I expected from Toyota.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 10:47 am to Swagga
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If the issue was caused by poor quality at the alabama manufacturing location I would bet those 350 new jobs are going to be temporary.
Hope they are permanent.
Unfortunately the engine failures are in motors sourced from plants in the US and in Japan. It’s probably a process problem like Toyota says, but some people are wondering if it is a design or materials issue as well.
Either way I’m sure they’ll update the Tundra in the next year or two. They may even update the engine and add branding to it to help differentiate it.
I wish they’d bring the 5.7L back and just pair it with a hybrid system or add a 10 speed and cylinder deactivation to meet those emissions. That would probably be a more reliable solution. Guess the government won’t let them.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 10:52 am to member12
Toyota Truck Cult has been activated
Posted on 6/14/24 at 10:54 am to frequent flyer
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Ram is switching to a twin turbo I-6.
This pisses me off more than anything
Posted on 6/14/24 at 10:56 am to member12
Huge black eye for Toyota.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 10:57 am to AwesomeSauce
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It appears they found the issue and late 23 and all 24 are not effected by the issue and they are working to have it fixed across the board to remedy
There have actually been quite a few failures in 2024 models too. Which is another reason why a lot of posters in those Toyota Tundra forums are skeptical that it’s a process issue.
They are furious that Toyota is only replacing the short block and not using a crate engine too. The repair so far is the strip the engine of all components, replace the block, and rebuild with the old heads, turbos, valve train, etc. Toyota service departments will not be as consistent in their quality of work in an engine rebuild than an engine plant. And I know the service departments are frustrated with having Tundras sit with the cab off while this happens, consuming a service bay for weeks. Toyota has upset a lot of their customers with how this was handled and they are still frustrating them.
The turbo failures and transmission failures in the Tundra were build process issues. Those have been mostly solved. But these bottom end engine issues are very much still a problem with models made into 2024 and with hybrid versions as well. The recall just isn’t covering them yet. Toyota doesn’t want to admit there is a major issue especially before they have enough parts to handle a recall.
It’s also a problem in the overseas Land Cruisers that use this engine. The Tundra is just the most controversial because their buyers were frustrated with the cancelation of the V8.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 11:03 am to JohnnyKilroy
You're an idiot if you believe that. I just bought by 3rd tundra since 2008. Been a workhorse. That being said, i am not liking what i am hearing on this V6 issue.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 11:07 am to frequent flyer
quote:Do you have links? Not disputing, only that I have only seen it from the 22 and 23 builds based on what I've seen from owners and on the Tundra forums. Outside of a couple CA '24s and a couple Pros that if I had to guess were taken beyond recommended during break in with the mileage they say at failure.
models made into 2024
I personally went with a '23 Tacoma with the 3.5L expecting some growing pains with the new powertrains. I have been gauging how they were doing while I debate going for something bigger from everything I have seen it appeared they had at least identified the issue and had the long-term fix being worked logistically to remedy.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 11:09 am to AwesomeSauce
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Do you have links? Not disputing, only that I have only seen it from the 22 and 23 builds based on what I've seen from owners and on the Tundra forums.
Then, in the next sentence;
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Outside of a couple CA '24s and a couple Pros that if I had to guess were taken beyond recommended during break in with the mileage they say at failure.
eta-If Toyota is only doing short blocks like someone claims above, they are out of their minds. This isn't 1970 anymore where swapping heads and such over took an hour on the engine stand.
This post was edited on 6/14/24 at 11:11 am
Posted on 6/14/24 at 11:19 am to frequent flyer
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Guess the government won’t let them.
Bingo.
try wrapping your head around the fact that some of the brightest engineers in the world have to develop a new complex product that will meet the standards of the retards in Congress, who, have little to no standards.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 11:29 am to BuckyCheese
As far as I know, Toyota doesn’t do crate engines at all. Total cluster frick on their end. If this issue is also in the 250 & 300 series Landcruiser I’d guess leadership will see effects of this mess.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 11:40 am to BuckyCheese
quote:Two CA models with 23 build dates and two Pros with less than 5k miles one with a 23 build date and one with a 24 build date. Four is an anomaly, not an issue. I know just as many '24 powerstroke owners who have had complete DEF system failures before their first oil change.
Then, in the next sentence;
I do completely agree on the crate engine vs short block to remedy on Toyota's end though.
Just work on your gotcha because context as well as general automotive knowledge would lead one to realize 4 is well within the range of user error than a widespread issue.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 11:55 am to billjamin
How does this even happen in 2024? The quality checks seem unreal in O&G and aerospace. Not so much in automotive apparently.
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