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re: Has anyone lived in a country with universal healthcare?

Posted on 7/12/23 at 2:40 pm to
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 7/12/23 at 2:40 pm to
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If we are talking about health care providers you also have to factor in we are one of the least healthiest countries in the world. I saw someone bitching about our death rate during covid (yeh I know the stats were already stupid) to an asian country that had a 4% obesity rate...ours was near 40% (IIRC)


While in Korea and Japan, I really felt like my belly was way too big. Getting back to NY, it seemed much smaller.

America's very diverse population is too often compared to homogenous populations elsewhere. It is misleading. If we compare like sets of Koreans in the US to those in Korea on the dimension of healthcare, then we might see some insight. The same goes for all of our cultural subsets and their original culture of origin.

Posted by DakIsNoLB
Member since Sep 2015
1065 posts
Posted on 7/12/23 at 2:45 pm to
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You can’t do this for your entire life, and most of these jobs are for young people that don’t go to college, or Mexicans.



Of course not. I didn't claim otherwise.

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No it isn’t. I’ve had it before when I was in college.
What are you calling expensive? If you work as a cashier at a gas station, then yeah any health insurance is expensive.
The only reason I had it was in case something major happen.


Depends on the person. These plans also have high deductibles; ACA long-term plans have $400+ per mo plans with $3k to $9k deductibles; short term 6 mo. plans are $100/mo. with $5000+ deductibles. The cheap stuff is great so long as nothing happens. Glad nothing happened to you.

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I don’t need to. No one would do that if the employer wasn’t helping.


Didn't say you needed to. If you have a good handle on what it would cost to keep you level of coverage without an employer or know what you'd do if you'd prefer to go for a non-COBRA option, then great. It was just a suggestion.

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You sound like your complaining about insurance options as a 25 year old day laborer.
If your still a single day laborer in your 30’s then that’s a choice you decided to make.


*you're*. Not complaining. Stating there can a relative long periods of time that people can't get a job with employer healthcare, and, I reiterate, there are not enough of those jobs for everyone.

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Again, I’m not going to feel sorry for these people and change the way the world works to accommodate these people.
Young laborers don’t get sick and need to go to the doctor, and if they did, paying out of pocket isn’t as much as you think. You could go to urgent care right now and get an antibiotic for your sniffles like a pussy and it would be like $80.


Again, not asking you to. I think there's a more varied range of valid medical expenses and situations that come up than you're giving credit for.

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our either making enough money to get your own emergency only health insurance or your poor enough to get it all for free.


Yes, I agree, somewhat. Emergency health insurance is a valid option, but, there's a time limit on it (6-12 months with 1 maybe 2 renewals allowed), and, if something major happens, the high deductible has to be met first before the insurance will pay anything. If one can only afford a cheap premium, coming up with $5k-$15k is tough. That's the current state of short-term insurance plans.

Irrespective of all of the above, the overarching point is that maintaining the status quo still means you're paying for the have-nots whether you want to or not.
Posted by jose
Houma
Member since Feb 2009
29387 posts
Posted on 7/12/23 at 2:45 pm to
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Canada


Ever asked a Canadian how it is to go to medical school?

There are such few med schools there that they all have to go international. Most go to the Caribbean.

When they get out, they have to get approval from the government as to what specialty they can go into. They need to get a "letter of need" prior to beginning residency if they want to practice in Canada after. If they don't, then they need to get a US hospital to sponsor their Visa.

Canada sounds lovely.
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
46298 posts
Posted on 7/12/23 at 2:54 pm to
For all the bullshite we are feed by the for profit health section I have had this discussion with many Brits and Canadians. If you have 1 million or more a year, apparently most all the OT, this is a good system for you. And the richest people in the world come here for care.

But for everyone else universal healthcare would probably be better. All the people I have spoken to that live in these universal healthcare systems either liked it or were ok with it and said the bs about having to wait 6 months to see a doctor and all the horror stories we here were completely bullshite but go ahead and be good sheeple and believe what they tell you. Baaa baaa
Posted by madamsquirrel
The big somewhere out there
Member since Jul 2009
53564 posts
Posted on 7/12/23 at 2:57 pm to
I never have but I have had Tricare and dealt with the VA. I want no part of US government healthcare.
Posted by BabyTac
Austin, TX
Member since Jun 2008
14538 posts
Posted on 7/12/23 at 2:59 pm to
I’ve traveled the globe. The US has one of the worst healthcare system of any modern country. It 100% run by pharmaceutical companies and politicians. Also, doctors in this country are way behind and in bed with both. I’m not sure if there is a way to solve it.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
97098 posts
Posted on 7/12/23 at 3:21 pm to
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know it’s terrible that some Americans can be bankrupt because they got sick


You can blame government, attorneys, and big Pharma for this, and the solution to this problem is definitely not more government
Posted by cwil177
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
29157 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 1:00 am to
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They also saved his life with a machine called the Lucas Machine that is outlawed in the USA. Without it, he would have likely died.

We have EMS who carry the Lucas device. It just performs CPR for you. Why do you think it’s outlawed here lol
Posted by cwil177
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
29157 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 1:04 am to
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I worked with a bunch of Canadians for years. Young, healthy, pro-athelete, types loved it. Older, less healthy, not so much.

A Canadian guy I did residency with had a brother who tore his ACL playing rugby in Canada. It took 6 months to get an MRI since he didn’t have supplemental private insurance.
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If you go to LSU here in Shreveport the emergency care is excellent.

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If you go with something not an emergency the waits are horrendous.
dude that’s the point of an EMERGENCY room
Posted by AlonsoWDC
Memphis, where it ain't Ten-a-Key
Member since Aug 2014
9170 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 2:16 am to
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don't think that exists except in some norwegian countries maybe.


The lack of geographic IQ in this country is staggering
Posted by Sofaking2
Member since Apr 2023
13447 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 4:47 am to
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Maybe not a wealthy nation, but I live in Taiwan.

You are fixing to live in a communist country, lol.
Posted by bleuman
Places
Member since Sep 2009
8871 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 5:22 am to
I currently live in England.

The NHS is great if you have an emergency and can get to the ER on your own. Waiting for an ambulance or any medical treatment that isn't a true "emergency" is where it drops off. A friend had a foot problem and it took over a year to get to surgery.

My wife and I have private medical, it's great. My wife had a back problem and within 3 weeks she had an MRI and an outpatient treatment completed.

Most people will tough things out here, I go straight to getting a solution and making myself feel better with medicine and treatment.
Posted by Cracker
in a box
Member since Nov 2009
18913 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 6:02 am to
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Americans can be bankrupt because they got sick but I don’t know what the alternative is.
there are a plethora of resources available so this does not happen, I have seen stupid people pay medical bills 100% uninsured when most would allow payments or reduced negotiated down the bills & were not informed how to do this.
Posted by beaverfever
Little Rock
Member since Jan 2008
34436 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 6:06 am to
I had to go to the dr when I was in England 10 years ago for something very routine. I was confused when I was done and they were like “you’re good you don’t owe us anything.” For really basic services it’s probably a good idea.
Posted by Cracker
in a box
Member since Nov 2009
18913 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 6:07 am to
Here you go this is just health care tax not income or other taxes but I think it hits about 65% of your income

Families among the top 10% of income earners in Canada making an average annual income of $286,808 pay an estimated $41,916 for health care annually through taxes, the study says, while the bottom 10% earning an average of $18,686 annually pay $726 annually.

Families earning an average of $38,110 annually pay $1,799 a year; those earning $49,586 annually pay $3,283 a year; those earning $61,073 pay $4,857; those earning $75,300 pay $6,521; those earning $91,097 pay $8,516; those earning $109,374 pay $10,854; those earning $131,552 pay $14,022; and those earning $166,740 pay $19,166.
Posted by USMCguy121
Northshore
Member since Aug 2021
6332 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 6:16 am to
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I'm assuming he means Nordic


Yep

Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
70466 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 6:34 am to
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Has anyone lived in a country with universal healthcare?
Yes.

Posted by evil cockroach
27.98N // 86.92E
Member since Nov 2007
8433 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 6:49 am to
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Has anyone lived in a country with universal healthcare?
the British Royal Family (Windsor’s) use private healthcare, so … yea.
Posted by latxwoman
Member since Mar 2019
811 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 6:58 am to
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let's also not forget that while the US is footing the bill for the national defense of many of these free healthcare utopias, freeing up untold dollar amounts that they can pump into their welfare states, US industry is also footing the research and development bill for much of the world's medical and pharmaceutical technology.


If we'd stop being the worlds banker and take care of our own, we could all have Universal Healthcare-- Not just people on Medicaid. I am not saying it will be perfect, but right now, many have nothing because they can't afford care with their current plan.
Posted by latxwoman
Member since Mar 2019
811 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 7:03 am to
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Families earning an average of $38,110 annually pay $1,799 a year; those earning $49,586 annually pay $3,283 a year; those earning $61,073 pay $4,857; those earning $75,300 pay $6,521; those earning $91,097 pay $8,516; those earning $109,374 pay $10,854; those earning $131,552 pay $14,022; and those earning $166,740 pay $19,166.


Right now, my family is paying $4080, for healthcare before deductibles and copays. This comes out of my husband's salary because it is higher than mine. I am in sales, so my take home varies. At least they have access to medical care. If we had a major health scare, we'd be in financial trouble.
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