re: Grown men avoiding responsibility at work

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You’re trying to pay people the same wages that were acceptable a decade ago that are no longer valued now.

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Many employees deserve a pay cut rather than a raise. Crap workers all around.

Too many places are all stick and no carrot, then wonder why the mules don't want to pull.

You sound like a company man.

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You’re trying to pay people the same wages that were acceptable a decade ago that are no longer valued now.

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Y’all just had to vote for Trump when it was her turn and now you’re being punished with immigrants

A major plague of businesses in America is turning into sluggish bureaucracies as they grow and age. Eventually succumbing to start ups and “disrupters” (another name for new competitors who don’t have that problem yet).

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a man generally gets punished for doing a good job. if you haven't learned that, you must be young. people who suck generally wind up with easier jobs bc they can't/won't do the hard work.

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This is what losers tell each other to feel better. YOU are responsible for your success. If things are as you say at your company quit and find a better culture. But to imply that it is useless because that sick culture is ubiquitous, is a coward’s way.

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Yeah, and what do you think happens to all that when you screw them financially for years to the point they are struggling just to make it?

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I've been there. I was underpaid and started off going above and beyond thinking it'd get me ahead. Because of this I'd always get saddled with extra work. Was always frustrated with coworkers doing the bare minimum. After a couple of years I realized going above and beyond was going to get me the same as doing just a little bit more than all the coworkers doing the bare minimum. There wasn't any point in working my hardest. Glad I left that place, I hated feeling like that.

Been in my current role for 3 years. I'm making close to 40% more than when I started. Feels damn good and motivates me to give it everything since I'm actually getting rewarded for it. The folks I work with are also highly motivated and it's a lot of fun working with folks like that.

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Is this some kind of epidemic? Every time I try to get things done I get these responses like “well my boss didn’t tell me to do that” or “I sent them an email about this problem so I don’t get egg on my face” and the famous “I gotta cover my arse”.

How is it that so many people can take a paycheck and avoid effort all together for fear of failing? I see it as an incredible weakness in most men these days. They won’t even try to solve a problem.
What says the OT?

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Sounds like you're an overpaid buffoon trying to get underlings to bail your arse out of hot water.

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How is it that so many people can take a paycheck and avoid effort all together for fear of failing? I see it as an incredible weakness in most men these days. They won’t even try to solve a problem.

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i won't lie, I've fallen into this rut at jobs before.

There is nothing worse than repeatedly trying to solve something or recognizing issues that are met with "that is just the way it is" or "cost too much to fix"

I've pretty much only worked for family businesses. The entranced retardation by the old boomer administration that refuses to accept any change would remove that ambition from Winston Churchilll

I think there's something mature about knowing your worth and not trying to scramble to do everything just to make yourself feel like a "good employee."

Not to mention, I'm also not gonna talk out of my butt about something I don't have full knowledge of. I'd rather direct the customer to someone who has more knowledge on the topic than me rather than BS an answer.