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re: Government Street is a cluster! Who’s idea was it?
Posted on 3/30/21 at 8:44 am to goofball
Posted on 3/30/21 at 8:44 am to goofball
The Villa. They were like 100 years old and not very nice, but they were cheap. I had a two-floor setup with two bedrooms for $600. I had some cool neighbors that were young professionals like me, but I also had some crackhead neighbors that made life interesting.
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Posted on 3/30/21 at 8:48 am to Motorboat
I drive this every day on Government, and here is what I've seen.
The weekly bad accidents on the stretch between Acadian and around Calandro's are over. The days of poles being knocked down during lunch (not late night drunks) are over. Apart from the road construction, the traffic flows evenly and paces better now that a turn lane is in place. The time it takes to cross Foster seems less than before. I drive this on Government throughout the day, not just a commute, and I prefer it.
What can't be avoided is the amount of cars coming out of the three high schools, and the carpool lines for the grade school in the old Westmoreland. That was a cluster-frick even with the old Government Street. Some people may also miss the riding down Government at 50 mph or faster during some stretches, but overall the consistent pace without having to slam on breaks dodging cars turning or idiots pulling into lanes is smoother.
The weekly bad accidents on the stretch between Acadian and around Calandro's are over. The days of poles being knocked down during lunch (not late night drunks) are over. Apart from the road construction, the traffic flows evenly and paces better now that a turn lane is in place. The time it takes to cross Foster seems less than before. I drive this on Government throughout the day, not just a commute, and I prefer it.
What can't be avoided is the amount of cars coming out of the three high schools, and the carpool lines for the grade school in the old Westmoreland. That was a cluster-frick even with the old Government Street. Some people may also miss the riding down Government at 50 mph or faster during some stretches, but overall the consistent pace without having to slam on breaks dodging cars turning or idiots pulling into lanes is smoother.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 8:52 am to Epic Cajun
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just don’t know anywhere that has reduced lanes like this to make a more “neighborhood” friendly vibe.
Tulane and Esplanade in NOLA
Posted on 3/30/21 at 8:53 am to GetBackToWork
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the carpool lines for the grade school in the old Westmoreland.
The carpool lines drive me crazy. Not Government, but the visual and performance arts schools on Acadian is the worst. They don’t allow parents to park and walk either (or parents in the neighborhood to walk their kids over). So you have carpool back up all down Acadian.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 8:53 am to GetBackToWork
Wait till you see the redevelopment we are about to do at the old mid city garden center block. It’s going to be awesome
Posted on 3/30/21 at 9:03 am to cgrand
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Wait till you see the redevelopment we are about to do at the old mid city garden center block. It’s going to be awesome
Cool. Meese finally doing something with his property?
Posted on 3/30/21 at 9:07 am to cgrand
They are building some higher end apartments across from Curbside. Same developer that's building the housing around the Old Goodwood plantation. Looks pretty nice:
Posted on 3/30/21 at 9:12 am to cgrand
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Wait till you see the redevelopment we are about to do at the old mid city garden center block. It’s going to be awesome
Cool! What are they planning?
Also - any idea what is happening at the old Westmoreland Shell property?
This post was edited on 3/30/21 at 9:14 am
Posted on 3/30/21 at 9:22 am to goofball
We need a running BR development thread to keep up with all of this.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 9:24 am to GetBackToWork
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I drive this every day on Government, and here is what I've seen.
The weekly bad accidents on the stretch between Acadian and around Calandro's are over. The days of poles being knocked down during lunch (not late night drunks) are over. Apart from the road construction, the traffic flows evenly and paces better now that a turn lane is in place. The time it takes to cross Foster seems less than before. I drive this on Government throughout the day, not just a commute, and I prefer it.
I haven't seen it yet, but it sounds like it's very well executed. It would be incredible for Baton Rouge if Government Street was more of an entertainment district than a suburban thruway. Memphis did something similar with Madison Avenue. It turned out really well, especially the area near Cooper around Overton Square.
If they can pinpoint a 2-3 block area where they want a deeper focus on pedestrian access, bars, restaurants, etc. They should consider a public parking deck (so long as it's not on Government Street itself). That really helps, and they can build them on top of catch basis or drainage infrastructure most of the time.
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What can't be avoided is the amount of cars coming out of the three high schools, and the carpool lines for the grade school in the old Westmoreland. That was a cluster-frick even with the old Government Street. Some people may also miss the riding down Government at 50 mph or faster during some stretches, but overall the consistent pace without having to slam on breaks dodging cars turning or idiots pulling into lanes is smoother.
Surprised there isn't an outlet onto Acadian for those areas.
I’ll be shocked if Westmoreland Shopping center is redeveloped within 5 years.
This post was edited on 3/30/21 at 9:43 am
Posted on 3/30/21 at 10:25 am to Motorboat
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Meese finally doing something with his property?
he sold it
new buyers will be renovating the block into something very cool. existing buildings will remain
stay tuned
Posted on 3/30/21 at 10:32 am to jaTigerfan
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just don’t know anywhere that has reduced lanes like this to make a more “neighborhood” friendly vibe.
Fairly rare in Louisiana. Common in other areas with more cash to spend on this kind of thing. Louisiana is still trying to build up its road grid. It’s not often there are streets where they can pull this off since most of the road network (especially in Baton Rouge) is already seeing traffic counts at or beyond it’s designed capacity.
I think Sherwood Forest and Kenilwoeth advocated for bike lanes years back because they were afraid the city would widen those boulevards to 4 lanes. Sherwood in particular was worried about their neighborhood having a 4 lane road connecting I-12 and Florida. But it was never a 4 lane road, so it doesn’t technically count as a road diet.
IIRC, they reduced St Claud in New Orleans by a lane in each direction when they extended the street car out there right? That might be one of only a couple of live examples in Louisiana. Esplanade maybe another example.
Nationally, a lot of areas made this change for safety. Those 4 lane roads with no center turn lane was a popular configuration in the US and Canada in the mid 20th century. Two lane roads with a center turn lane has proven to be safer than 4 lane roads with no center turn lane. Not necessarily faster, but much safer. Baton Rouge is doing that but also revamping the sidewalks, cross walks, and adding landscaped medians in some places. It’s an effort to improve safety and encourage more pedestrian-scale businesses.
Surprised they aren’t adding street parking. A line of parked cars between the sidewalk and street generally serves as a good barrier between traffic and pedestrians.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 10:34 am to goofball
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Same developer that's building the housing around the Old Goodwood plantation.
Oh really? Those will be very nice then. One of the home builders in that development is my favorite.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 10:37 am to dewster
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Surprised they aren’t adding street parking. A line of parked cars between the sidewalk and street generally serves as a good barrier between traffic and pedestrians.
I wouldn’t think there’s enough space, you?
Posted on 3/30/21 at 10:41 am to LouisianaLady
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I wouldn’t think there’s enough space, you?
Street parking usually only requires a 9’ slip (10’ if your drivers are incredibly stupid). The outside lanes on Government were at least 12’. They could have probably done it if they didn’t have bike lanes and a center turn lane. Probably not feasible with all the curb cuts, but it might work for a few blocks where they want to focus on a more dense development pattern.
Although the raised planters they are adding in some places will accomplish the same thing. Just with more dependency on surface parking lots for future developments. The bike lanes themselves also keep the traffic a little farther from the sidewalk.
This post was edited on 3/30/21 at 10:46 am
Posted on 3/30/21 at 10:42 am to LouisianaLady
Front loaded parking on all the business plus the ridiculous number of driveway cuts would have made street parking a nightmare. You only had room for a turn lane or parking, and a turn lane is the much better option in this case.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 10:43 am to dewster
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A line of parked cars between the sidewalk and street generally serves as a good barrier between traffic and pedestrians.
we saw one of those on the lower east side of Manhattan, but forgot to get the street name. the lanes from center to curb on each side were:
car lane, bike path, parallel car parking, pedestrian, divided by striping only. they could have done something similar on government without moving the curb, but they would have to give up the turn lane. i think it is a good compromise. if business booms, i think we will see the first house or two on side streets turn into parking lots.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 11:04 am to doubleb
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So we spent over 10 million dollars to shrink a state Highway into a two lane road to help bar hopping and bar owners? Now it makes sense. Thanks for clearing it up for me.
just be happy it was only 10 million. The state somehow spent $15 million on CATS bus stops on a 9 mile route
Posted on 3/30/21 at 11:18 am to goofball
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They are building some higher end apartments across from Curbside. Same developer that's building the housing around the Old Goodwood plantation. Looks pretty nice:
If I were younger (and could afford them), I'd probably stay there.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 11:19 am to Ed Osteen
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The state somehow spent $15 million on CATS bus stops on a 9 mile route
Wait...they did what?
$15 million for bus stops? Not dedicated bus lanes or anything?
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