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God help you if you are sending your son to college in this era
Posted on 8/2/16 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 8/2/16 at 1:16 pm
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A male University of Southern California student expelled for sexual assault appealed the decision on grounds that the adjudication process was wholly inadequate and stacked against him from the start. USC's Title IX coordinator responded with shocking hostility—bureaucrats don't like when their authority is questioned, it seems.
"Does that college motherfricker know who I am?" USC Title IX Director Gretchen Dahlinger Means asked Title IX Investigator Patrick Noonan, after a conference call during which the student, "John Doe," had explained his intention to appeal. It was a hot mic moment: Dahlinger and Noonan thought the student and his lawyer had already exited the call.
That was not the only outburst. Means also said, "Who do those motherfrickers think they are?" in reference to the student and his lawyer, who had asked for USC to release the identities of the panel members who had voted to expel Doe.
Doe began dating a female student, "Jane Roe," in the fall of 2015. According to his lawsuit, Doe told her that he did not want an exclusive relationship. They tried to have sex several times, but were "unable to complete sexual intercourse" the first two times. The third time, on October 14, they used lubricant, but the experience was still painful for Roe, who said "ouch" and asked Doe to stop—at which point all sexual activity ceased. Their relationship continued for several more weeks: they kept having sex, eventually with greater success, according to the lawsuit.
In November, Roe broke up with Doe because she suspected he was sleeping with another woman. (Given that he had repeatedly stated he did not want to be in an exclusive relationship with Roe, her suspicion seems well-founded.) In December, she told Doe that she was considering reporting him to the campus Title IX authorities—she now claimed their sex on October 14 was nonconsensual. In February, she told Doe and the president of his fraternity that she wanted him kicked out of the house. She stated that this outcome was all she required: if he left the house, she would not file a Title IX complaint against him. Doe had heard the Title IX process was stacked against accused males, and preferred to leave the fraternity rather than take his chances, and so he complied with Roe's demand, according to the lawsuit.
The investigator in this case was the Office of Equity and Diversity's Patrick Noonan. His report can be found here. Roe recalls the night of October 14 much differently. She says she never intended to have sex with Doe. He forced himself on her, and tried to penetrate her even though she had clearly said no several times. He held her down until she was finally able to push him off. She left in tears, writing on his white board, "You better have a great apology for this." Over the next few weeks, she eventually came to see the encounter as rape.
Noonan interviewed 18 other people, at Roe's request. None had witnessed the alleged activity, though they were able to confirm that Roe had given them the details of the story.
A male University of Southern California student expelled for sexual assault appealed the decision on grounds that the adjudication process was wholly inadequate and stacked against him from the start. USC's Title IX coordinator responded with shocking hostility—bureaucrats don't like when their authority is questioned, it seems.
"Does that college motherfricker know who I am?" USC Title IX Director Gretchen Dahlinger Means asked Title IX Investigator Patrick Noonan, after a conference call during which the student, "John Doe," had explained his intention to appeal. It was a hot mic moment: Dahlinger and Noonan thought the student and his lawyer had already exited the call.
That was not the only outburst. Means also said, "Who do those motherfrickers think they are?" in reference to the student and his lawyer, who had asked for USC to release the identities of the panel members who had voted to expel Doe.
Doe began dating a female student, "Jane Roe," in the fall of 2015. According to his lawsuit, Doe told her that he did not want an exclusive relationship. They tried to have sex several times, but were "unable to complete sexual intercourse" the first two times. The third time, on October 14, they used lubricant, but the experience was still painful for Roe, who said "ouch" and asked Doe to stop—at which point all sexual activity ceased. Their relationship continued for several more weeks: they kept having sex, eventually with greater success, according to the lawsuit.
In November, Roe broke up with Doe because she suspected he was sleeping with another woman. (Given that he had repeatedly stated he did not want to be in an exclusive relationship with Roe, her suspicion seems well-founded.) In December, she told Doe that she was considering reporting him to the campus Title IX authorities—she now claimed their sex on October 14 was nonconsensual. In February, she told Doe and the president of his fraternity that she wanted him kicked out of the house. She stated that this outcome was all she required: if he left the house, she would not file a Title IX complaint against him. Doe had heard the Title IX process was stacked against accused males, and preferred to leave the fraternity rather than take his chances, and so he complied with Roe's demand, according to the lawsuit.
The investigator in this case was the Office of Equity and Diversity's Patrick Noonan. His report can be found here. Roe recalls the night of October 14 much differently. She says she never intended to have sex with Doe. He forced himself on her, and tried to penetrate her even though she had clearly said no several times. He held her down until she was finally able to push him off. She left in tears, writing on his white board, "You better have a great apology for this." Over the next few weeks, she eventually came to see the encounter as rape.
Noonan interviewed 18 other people, at Roe's request. None had witnessed the alleged activity, though they were able to confirm that Roe had given them the details of the story.
This post was edited on 8/2/16 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 8/2/16 at 1:18 pm to anc
quote:Your thread title - A bit dramatic don't you think?
God help you if you are sending your son to college in this era
Posted on 8/2/16 at 1:20 pm to The Mick
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Your thread title - A bit dramatic don't you think?
I dont think.
There's a ton of these stories coming out. Guy scorns girl, girl files Title IX violation and has guy's life ruined.
Posted on 8/2/16 at 1:21 pm to SabiDojo
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Omg that poor girl
No shite, took 3 times before he could "finish the act?" Whiskey dick or just really bad at sex?
Posted on 8/2/16 at 1:22 pm to anc
I thought millennials didn't like sex?
Posted on 8/2/16 at 1:23 pm to NoHoTiger
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The third time, on October 14, they used lubricant, but the experience was still painful for Roe, who said "ouch" and asked Doe to stop
Sounds like she may be the one having some issues.
Posted on 8/2/16 at 1:23 pm to anc
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they used lubricant, but the experience was still painful for Roe, who said "ouch"
Posted on 8/2/16 at 1:23 pm to anc
"Doe" really should have been the name of the girl.
Posted on 8/2/16 at 1:24 pm to anc
He said/she said
Of course the OT always takes the dude's side.
Of course the OT always takes the dude's side.
Posted on 8/2/16 at 1:24 pm to anc
quote:an absolute nobody?
Does that college motherfricker know who I am?" USC Title IX Director Gretchen Dahlinger Means asked
Posted on 8/2/16 at 1:24 pm to anc
It goes both ways. The pendulum always swing too far to the left or right in these cases.
I think we need to educate our children better before sending them off to high school and college.
I think we need to educate our children better before sending them off to high school and college.
Posted on 8/2/16 at 1:25 pm to Mung
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Of course the OT always takes the dude's side.
well, that's because all men are sex gods and all women are filthy whores.
ETA: and it's the OT.
This post was edited on 8/2/16 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 8/2/16 at 1:25 pm to anc
So both of them suck at sex, but the girl can't take responsibility so she cries rape?
Posted on 8/2/16 at 1:26 pm to NoHoTiger
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No shite, took 3 times before he could "finish the act?" Whiskey dick or just really bad at sex?
I think the difficulty was more on her if you read the OP.
Posted on 8/2/16 at 1:27 pm to upgrayedd
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I think the difficulty was more on her if you read the OP.
yeah, I got it. Tongue-in-cheek. Maybe he should have put his tongue, well, you get the idea.
Posted on 8/2/16 at 1:28 pm to NoHoTiger
It's called innocent until proven guilty. That's how our justice system works and considering the Brain Banks story, Duke Lacrosse case, and Matress Girl are all cases in which men had their lives ruined by false rape cases it makes sense to be doubtful
Posted on 8/2/16 at 1:28 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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Does that college motherfricker know who I am?" USC Title IX Director Gretchen Dahlinger Means asked
They missed the hyphenated last name he was fricked from the get go
Posted on 8/2/16 at 1:29 pm to anc
It's a totally fricked up system now. All a girl has to do is accuse a guy and he's automatically guilty. No need for even the thinnest of evidence. All it takes is her making the claim and his life is over.
And yes, as the father of a son who will be going off to college in a few years, this is one of my biggiest fears for him.
And yes, as the father of a son who will be going off to college in a few years, this is one of my biggiest fears for him.
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