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re: Gen contractor says the constr. economy is going to tank because his workers got deported
Posted on 5/30/25 at 2:23 pm to Powerman
Posted on 5/30/25 at 2:23 pm to Powerman
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The idea of paying people decent wages
Is based on supply and demand. Always has been and always will be. If anybody can do your job, it's not worth as much as jobs nobody can do.
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Posted on 5/30/25 at 2:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I also don't want the market to melt
I doubt that would happen, I doubt builders are charging "illegal labor" prices, and doubt they are paying substantially less wages than for legal labor, I would imagine their savings are in unemployment insurance, health benefits, social security taxes, etc.
Posted on 5/30/25 at 2:28 pm to 777Tiger
quote:most are subcontracting this labor as I said before. You do not pay FICA on subcontractors. What you do pay is WC and GL based on subcontract dollar value
I would imagine their savings are in unemployment insurance, health benefits, social security taxes, etc.
Posted on 5/30/25 at 2:30 pm to TT9
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Simple, hire people that are here legally.
Higher costs for shittier products when you hire Americans these days for actual labor. At least the hondurans will show up and not meth out halfway through the day.
Posted on 5/30/25 at 2:31 pm to cgrand
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most are subcontracting this labor as I said before.
yep, where as they would normally be on the contractor's payroll
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You do not pay FICA on subcontractors.
well aware
Posted on 5/30/25 at 2:31 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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I feel really sorry for this guy that he can no longer exploit illegal labor.
Yep, the MAGA roofing company owners are in the FO phase.
Posted on 5/30/25 at 2:31 pm to cgrand
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most are subcontracting this labor as I said before. You do not pay FICA on subcontractors. What you do pay is WC and GL based on subcontract dollar value
If the subs aren’t paying fica, they will be cheaper than those that do..this will impact the gc bottom line.
Posted on 5/30/25 at 2:34 pm to RaoulDuke504
Illegal is illegal bitchacho.
Posted on 5/30/25 at 2:35 pm to Indefatigable
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People who employ illegals should be hammered. Truly punitive measures like permanent loss of license, massive fines, etc.
Right? The chicken farms in Mississippi and LP just pay their fine with the savings from hiring illegals instead of legal workers. Remember when Cary Goss got caught illegally building a dorm to house illegal immigrants for his concrete plant in Livingston? Probably not, because he has enough money to make it go away.
Premier Concrete's Illegal Dorm
This post was edited on 5/30/25 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 5/30/25 at 2:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
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There is clearly a need for this labor and we don't have adequate supply to replace it in our current paradigm-society.
But we will. GC’s and the like just have to pay more. It’s a market adjustment. It’s not dissimilar to the conversation from the emancipation of the slaves. I’m not comparing the demographics, just pointing out that the sudden evaporation of exploited labor isn’t fatal to business.
There’s also the matter that we just have to do this. The line in the sand has to come eventually. Our entire economy can’t rely on unregulated, illegal labor. If that is the case now, it has to stop, even if there is short term pain for a lot of folks.
Posted on 5/30/25 at 2:36 pm to YouKnowImRight
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Is based on supply and demand. Always has been and always will be. If anybody can do your job, it's not worth as much as jobs nobody can do.
Exactly.
Our value is our replacement value. Nothing more. If many people would do it for less than I, why wouldnt they be hired?
Skills and education separate the workers from their competition. I say to them "do better."
This post was edited on 5/30/25 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 5/30/25 at 2:37 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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Probably not, because he has enough money to make it go away.
I would propose a loss of all licenses and a fine equal to the minimum wage for all hours worked by illegal labor.
That’ll stop the demand side of this issue right quick.
Posted on 5/30/25 at 2:37 pm to RaoulDuke504
No it won’t.
There are programs that have workers that get visas. You can’t still have Mexicans to work. The difference is you have to actually pay them more than $10/hour.
Or, the craziest idea would be to hire people that are citizens
The contracts just won’t be able to make a goofy profit.
I see nothing wrong with that.
There are programs that have workers that get visas. You can’t still have Mexicans to work. The difference is you have to actually pay them more than $10/hour.
Or, the craziest idea would be to hire people that are citizens
The contracts just won’t be able to make a goofy profit.
I see nothing wrong with that.
Posted on 5/30/25 at 2:38 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Wait, I have a great idea. We should deport and excommunicate any business owners caught knowingly hiring illegals. They can be deported to the country of their employees. 
Posted on 5/30/25 at 2:38 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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Higher costs for shittier products when you hire Americans these days for actual labor. At least the hondurans will show up and not meth out halfway through the day.
The answer still isn’t hiring illegals.
Posted on 5/30/25 at 2:40 pm to RaoulDuke504
This isn’t what you voted for? Were you fricking confused? Did you miss the 3000 video clips of the man saying this was first order of business? Lol
Posted on 5/30/25 at 2:40 pm to Indefatigable
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But we will. GC’s and the like just have to pay more.
I just don't see how this is going to be able to be done in our current RE bubble/scenario. The illegals are already likely overpaid (or, we will realize that in the future looking back with hindsight bias...probably a better way to describe it).
Posted on 5/30/25 at 2:40 pm to Indefatigable
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The answer still isn’t hiring illegals.
I completely agree. We should find a way to make it easier to hire them legally. The problem is that these companies get the labor for cheaper if they are illegal, so the status quo is a boon for them.
Posted on 5/30/25 at 2:42 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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I completely agree. We should find a way to make it easier to hire them legally.
This is the way, but you will have many of the same people angry at it and shouting leftism as justification. Just look at the HB1 saga. Those are legal workers.
Posted on 5/30/25 at 2:43 pm to RaoulDuke504
He's not mad about the "hard working guys" going bye-bye. He's upset about his PROFITS going bye-bye.
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