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re: Gary Taubes: ‘Obesity isn’t a calorie problem, it’s a hormone problem’
Posted on 1/18/21 at 7:58 am to DrSteveBrule
Posted on 1/18/21 at 7:58 am to DrSteveBrule
I’m no expert in this area but have a female cousin that went through a stressful situation about 10 years ago. No change to diet but put on weight all of a sudden.
Her primary doctor did the usual blood work a couple of times and said everything was normal. Then my cousin got her hormone levels checked at one of those alternative medicine type places and her estrogen levels were 3x the normal range. High estrogen in women leads to greatly increased cancer risk, sudden weight gain, trouble sleeping, etc.
I recall reading about hormone level impacts at the time and decided to get my testosterone levels checked. I was amazed at how much my Primary doctor tried to talk me out of it.
Her primary doctor did the usual blood work a couple of times and said everything was normal. Then my cousin got her hormone levels checked at one of those alternative medicine type places and her estrogen levels were 3x the normal range. High estrogen in women leads to greatly increased cancer risk, sudden weight gain, trouble sleeping, etc.
I recall reading about hormone level impacts at the time and decided to get my testosterone levels checked. I was amazed at how much my Primary doctor tried to talk me out of it.
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Posted on 1/18/21 at 8:16 am to MikeAV8s
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The average lifespan in 1900 was about 40. Its now about 75. I know that modern healthcare has driven this number, but people act like our forefathers were some superhuman species because they didn’t have Macdonald’s and ice cream. Paleo man ate a paleo diet, he lived about 28 years.
There is so much stupid here, I don't know what to say. I'm impressed that you said it with so much authority though.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 8:35 am to MikeAV8s
quote:infant and early childhood mortality drove that number
The average lifespan in 1900 was about 40. Its now about 75. I know that modern healthcare has driven this number
Posted on 1/18/21 at 8:40 am to Mo Jeaux
Oh, just start at the top and explain the stupid. I am always open to being edjumacated.
Never mind, I read back and see that you may actually buy in to Taubes bullshite. If that’s the case, you can’t edjumacate me.
Never mind, I read back and see that you may actually buy in to Taubes bullshite. If that’s the case, you can’t edjumacate me.
This post was edited on 1/18/21 at 8:53 am
Posted on 1/18/21 at 8:42 am to Dandy Lion
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Obesity isn’t a calorie problem,
yes it is. just like it has been for fricking ever in the existence of the human race
If you eat less than normal and move around more than normal, your body has no choice but to get smaller.
There are very rare outliers to this statement, so let's not get caught up in the minutiae of derailing for the sake of derailing. You know who you are, you busy body dickhead.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 8:42 am to litenin
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I’m no expert in this area but have a female cousin that went through a stressful situation about 10 years ago. No change to diet but put on weight all of a sudden.
Consistently high cortisol levels can lead to insulin resistance and frick with your metabolism. It also tends to promote “stress eating”, especially since there’s typically an emotional component to consuming “comfort” foods when really stressed.
CICO is a good basis for weight loss, but it’s not nearly as simple as that. Components like cortisol along with a society that is geared towards reducing physical activity in its nature (i.e. sedentary jobs, transportation, lack of green space, etc) contributes greatly.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 8:52 am to BluegrassBelle
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Consistently high cortisol levels can lead to insulin resistance and frick with your metabolism. It also tends to promote “stress eating”, especially since there’s typically an emotional component to consuming “comfort” foods when really stressed.
CICO is a good basis for weight loss, but it’s not nearly as simple as that. Components like cortisol along with a society that is geared towards reducing physical activity in its nature (i.e. sedentary jobs, transportation, lack of green space, etc) contributes greatly.
You mean it's not just calories in/calories out like everyone in this thread is telling us? Surely, our bodies can't be complex systems that react differently to different inputs.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 8:57 am to litenin
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I’m no expert in this area but have a female cousin that went through a stressful situation about 10 years ago. No change to diet but put on weight all of a sudden.
Spot on. This *can* happen, but at the end of the day the end result is more calories consumed then burned.
I'm a firm believer if you're looking at health in the total picture you need to look at hormone levels to make sure it's all firing properly.
When I was 330 I was eating like a fat frick. I didn't have blood work showing it, but I'd wager with that much extra fat, my T levels were significantly lower.
Today if I eat like a fat frick for a day, I do it after a long run and it's a small net calorie surplus, or net zero.
The point being, it matters what you eat, and yes, your hormone balance will influence(sometimes greatly) the total number of calories burned. But at the end of the day, fat mass is only gained because you have a surplus of calories.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 9:02 am to DixonCider
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This *can* happen, but at the end of the day the end result is more calories consumed then burned.
But that’s just over simplifying it. If it was as easy as obtaining affordable, lower calorie food with plenty of time to cook at home without any other variables that could change how you absorb those calories then sure, it’s just CICO. But that’s operating in a vacuum.
That would be like saying, if you don’t want to be poor then get a job. Without accounting for all of the variables that contribute to someone remaining in poverty.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 9:17 am to BluegrassBelle
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But that’s just over simplifying it. If it was as easy as obtaining affordable, lower calorie food with plenty of time to cook at home without any other variables that could change how you absorb those calories then sure, it’s just CICO
It's not all about low calorie foods. I still slam high calorie foods. I just do it in smaller portions.
And low calorie doesn't have to be expensive. Beans are cheap. Eggs are cheap. Staple veggies are super cheap. Meats can get expensive, but with rotating sales at the grocery it leaves options. I spend roughly 40/week feeding myself and only spend about 20 minutes/day cooking because alot of my veggies and beans are canned.
There's a shite load of variables I'd love to get checked in myself just to see what the verdict is. But the variables you do have control over is what your hand moves into your mouth.
You can complicate it if you want. Or you can just track what you eat honestly, weigh yourself at regular intervals, and adjust food intake from there.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 9:23 am to Delacroix22
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It has nothing absolutely NOTHING to do with hormones.
That’s patently false
Though I do agree with your intent
Posted on 1/18/21 at 9:25 am to DixonCider
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You can complicate it if you want. Or you can just track what you eat honestly, weigh yourself at regular intervals, and adjust food intake from there.
Which is great if you don’t take any medications that cause weight gain, don’t struggle with cortisol levels that leave you starving even with proper caloric intake, or don’t work a job that doesn’t really allow a lot of time for healthier eating/food prep/cook time.
And that’s not even touching on the education in keeping it off once you do lose it.
Like I said, still more complicated than just CICO.
This post was edited on 1/18/21 at 9:26 am
Posted on 1/18/21 at 9:30 am to Dandy Lion
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Fat accumulation is primarily regulated by the hormone insulin, and the idea is that for those who are obese, diabetic, or predisposed, they have to minimise their insulin levels to solve the problem.
I mean, he's right.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 9:41 am to BluegrassBelle
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Which is great if you don’t take any medications that cause weight gain, don’t struggle with cortisol levels that leave you starving even with proper caloric intake,
Valid, this is a factor. I'm going out on a limb and saying the majority of people just need more self control.
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don’t work a job that doesn’t really allow a lot of time for healthier eating/food prep/cook time.
If someone wants to drop the weight, they'll quit allowing them self this excuse. I take 20 minutes daily split up by 5 minutes in the morning and 15 in the evening. It's not that hard. You can find 20 minutes if you're posting here.
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And that’s not even touching on the education in keeping it off once you do lose it.
I don't know how much education is needed here. Discipline sure. Education, not really. If you lost it, you know what you need to do to keep it off.
Yes, there are instances is metabolic issues that don't allow people to lose the weight. And in those instances, it doesn't matter what combination of diet and exercise exists, the weight just won't come off.
All I'm suggesting is that maybe that's not nearly as prevalent as people want to believe, because nobody (myself included) wants to hold themselves accountable. Because it's fricking hard to lose even when you have normal cortisol levels and aren't on medication. And because it takes time, sweat, discipline, and giving up alot of things to get there.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 9:42 am to Evolved Simian
Yep
Fat prevention and insulin spikes go hand in hand
Your macros and the timing of your meals regulate that
Caloric intake ALSO has a role
It’s not either or. It’s both and.
Fat prevention and insulin spikes go hand in hand
Your macros and the timing of your meals regulate that
Caloric intake ALSO has a role
It’s not either or. It’s both and.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 9:43 am to BluegrassBelle
Belle, you are not wrong about there being challenges, there are, but...
It really isn’t. If example A is perfectly healthy and burns on average 2000 calories per day, RMR, TEF and activity, but consumes 2500 calories, they will gain weight. Example B is someone who is not perfectly healthy, has some metabolic/hormone condition. That person burns 1600 Calories per day, RMR, TEF and activity. That person consumes 1500 calories per, they will lose weight. It really is that simple. The problem comes in as you pointed out, that it is difficult to adhere to that intake level which is 100% true. However, it does not change the fact that any person who wants to lose weight must, because physics, be in a calorie deficit.
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Like I said, still more complicated than just CICO.
It really isn’t. If example A is perfectly healthy and burns on average 2000 calories per day, RMR, TEF and activity, but consumes 2500 calories, they will gain weight. Example B is someone who is not perfectly healthy, has some metabolic/hormone condition. That person burns 1600 Calories per day, RMR, TEF and activity. That person consumes 1500 calories per, they will lose weight. It really is that simple. The problem comes in as you pointed out, that it is difficult to adhere to that intake level which is 100% true. However, it does not change the fact that any person who wants to lose weight must, because physics, be in a calorie deficit.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 9:53 am to BluegrassBelle
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Components like cortisol along with
cortisol spikes from drinking protein shakes, i guess we should stop drinking those, eh? quote:
a society that is geared towards reducing physical activity in its nature (i.e. sedentary jobs, transportation, lack of green space, etc) contributes greatly.
...thats the calories out part of the equation
Posted on 1/18/21 at 9:54 am to DixonCider
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alot of my veggies and beans are canned.
ewww
This post was edited on 1/18/21 at 9:55 am
Posted on 1/18/21 at 10:15 am to rocket31
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cortisol spikes from drinking protein shakes, i guess we should stop drinking those, eh?
Uh, what?
I’m talking about sustained high cortisol levels due to stress. Who said anything about protein shakes?
Posted on 1/18/21 at 10:18 am to CC
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Western diets consist of a crap-ton of processed carbs and saturated fats. Want to lose weight, eat food, not some shite from a bag or a box.
Should only shop on the outside aisles at the grocery store.
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