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re: FYI for all you Travel ball parents

Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:24 pm to
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:24 pm to
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but stop acting like it’s some horrible activity that sets kids up for failure later on in life...


I wouldn't go that far, but... it's become so watered down that it's basically part of the "everyone wins a trophy/ring" mentality that IS causing trouble for these kids as they get older.

Case in point.

Good friend of ours, put their kid on travel t-ball team at 5, travel coach pitch from ages 6-8, and travel kid pitch from 9 - now. Have changed teams several times. Have played games all over the south.

Kid is a sophmore now at local high school, where he is currently the 3rd string JV catcher (after being the backup freshman team catcher) and also a backup outfielder.

These weren't the kind of people who spent thousands of dollars just so their kid can have fun. it was with the idea that their kid was "good enough" and could play professionally.

Kid wants to quit.
Posted by elposter
Member since Dec 2010
26568 posts
Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:27 pm to
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Wow what losers. I mean can you imagine having your 8 year old not ever play organized sports?



Bruh, if your kid hasn't made All-Stars by 6, you might as well not even let him play sports. Could probably still do band or something.
Posted by Mr. Hangover
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2003
34910 posts
Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:29 pm to
I’m just saying, some kids and parents are involved with ‘travel ball’ just because it’s fun. I mean shite, what 12 year old wouldn’t love traveling around, playing baseball, and staying at hotels with most of their friends and all of the other activities that come with it??

I get the ‘travel ball’ meme that exists on the OT, I really do. I also know some examples of it. But the honest truth from my perspective is that these are the outliers, and not a representation of the whole ‘community’... some people just enjoy baseball and the life that comes with it.. I did. My parents did when I was a kid.. they never had aspirations of me playing MLB and neither did I and I was pretty good
This post was edited on 1/31/19 at 2:31 pm
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
35135 posts
Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:40 pm to
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maybe in Brazil, but not in Europe..my neighbor played professional soccer in England...he played competitive growing up and once he was identified as good...a club moved him out of his house to another city at 14 to focus on soccer 100%...school was taught by tutors, he belonged to the club


Right. Selling players is how many clubs make money. It’s not about development it’s about finding the future pros.
Which is a part of my theory that paying for high level clubs is silly. If your kid is good they will find you. If not then spending more to play in exotic locations won’t help you.
Posted by elposter
Member since Dec 2010
26568 posts
Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:40 pm to
We live in Atlanta. There are rec leagues and local academy/select leagues for baseball, basketball, and soccer that are full of good players and coaches. Lucky I guess, but we certainly don't have to play outside the metro area for as good an experience/competition as we could possibly want or need. Still have friends here who put their kids on travel teams. Doesn't seem necessary except to go on trips, but to each their own.
Posted by PT24-7
Member since Jul 2013
4575 posts
Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:42 pm to
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hear this a lot.

Why do you think rec sucks? Because all the parents who would make good coaches, all the parents who make sure their kids go to practice, and all the kids who have any talent whatsoever, long abandoned the rec concept.

So what's left in rec is poor, single parent families who have trouble getting their kids to practice and games.

Travel Ball = White Flight. Prove me wrong


I don’t think you can say it’s one or the other. Another key factor is the everyone gets a trophy mindset taking over Rec. No coach wants to start over every 6 months with a whole new group of kids and parents. That’s another reason why every Rec league is constantly lacking people willing to coach.
Posted by Gaston
Dirty Coast
Member since Aug 2008
41694 posts
Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:55 pm to
I know this is a common song, but some kids are just into a specific sport more than their peers. The other parents get super pissed.

In his last regular season game in Rec soccer my son asked the ref if he could shoot it in the goal directly off of the opening kickoff, the ref said, I doubt it. Well my son fires it into the goal and every parent on the other side jumps up and starts yelling. It was time to move on.

Hell, in his last tournament of the fall season he scored twice within a couple of minutes of the semifinal game starting, and he’d look like a scrub against Houston or Atlanta’s best players. You try to find competition, but sonetimes it’s difficult.
Posted by Verbal Kent
Member since Aug 2013
114 posts
Posted on 1/31/19 at 3:35 pm to
I have two boys who played travel ball. Started because rec ball was so bad (I was a coach) and I wanted them to have a chance to play high school ball if they chose to do so. For the record, our high school team has 20 kids on it and all but one player played travel ball at some level and he is a very fast pinch runner (only). There are some outliers, but if you look at the roster of your high schools team, you will see that that is peppered or at least travel ball players and they probably make up the bulk of the roster.

That said, I see both sides of the issue. Yes, it is competitive and some people take it waaay to seriously. Yes, there were times when my boys were disappointed they didn't make a particular team or when they did make that team, but were not the star. It was very hectic for several years with no real break in the summer. They became good baseball players, but also played multiple sports other than baseball.

That said, I would not trade a minute of that time that I spent with my sons. We have traveled all over the country and spent alot of quality time together. Both boys learned discipline, dealing with adversity, teamwork and how to manage there time. Those are lessons, that team sports teach that they cannot learn playing Fortnite or Seige.

The aftermath:

One quit baseball in 10th grade (he wanted to set the school record for Varsity letters-which he did with 13 letters-). The other son is playing Varsity as a 10th grader (and quit all other sports against our wishes).

Travel baseball has its faults (so many kids hurt their arms when they are 13 and going throw growth spurt it is crazy) but I think my kids learned alot of life lessons that will serve them well in their future whic does not include college baseball. Just my two cents.
Posted by Boudreaux35
BR
Member since Sep 2007
22281 posts
Posted on 1/31/19 at 3:51 pm to
My problem with "travel ball" and more so with the "elite teams" is that it is starting to affect high school baseball. The high school season has become to many just a set up for the summer elite season. Here in the BR area, there is virtually nothing in American Legion league, but that has been the case for a long time (and it's a shame). For a while though, at least the "Metro League" was decently competitive. Now, it's a farce. Nothing more than practice. They now basically play M-TH and the games on Wed and Thurs are played without the better players because they leave to go play on the travelling elite teams out of state. Nobody gives a shite who wins. Most of the players are not even playing their real positions. Even the "elite" players will play other positions during the weekday games for various reasons. There's just no competition. I'm sure if the HS coaches didn't mandate playing, there would probably be no league. And one of the main reasons those coaches do that is because they make money off of it during the summer months when school is out....I'm pretty sure it is probably even "tax free".
Posted by RoscoeHarper
Edmond, OK
Member since Aug 2011
4930 posts
Posted on 1/31/19 at 3:54 pm to
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Why do you think rec sucks? Because all the parents who would make good coaches, all the parents who make sure their kids go to practice, and all the kids who have any talent whatsoever, long abandoned the rec concept.

So what's left in rec is poor, single parent families who have trouble getting their kids to practice and games.

Travel Ball = White Flight. Prove me wrong.


What does any of this have to do with race?

I have a 12 year old that plays both rec and tournaments and there is a huge difference, period. They dominate the rec league, and are just an average team in tournaments.

And we don't "travel." We are in the OKC area, and play 1-2 tournaments a month (only play from March-June), all within 1 hour of home. And all these boys play other sports. My son plays basketball, football and golf for example.

The truth is, if you want some competition to play against, you have to play tournaments. That's all there is to it. And it has nothing to do with race that I can tell. 4 out of our 11 players are not white if you need some anecdotal evidence.
Posted by p&g
Dixie
Member since Jun 2005
12995 posts
Posted on 1/31/19 at 4:38 pm to
I always like these threads.

Let’s us all know who the poor people and parents of loser, fat and unathletic kids are.
Posted by Tiger Ryno
#WoF
Member since Feb 2007
107578 posts
Posted on 1/31/19 at 4:43 pm to
That is one of the saddest posts I've read on here. Thank you for sharing your story and I hope others don't make the same mistakes. At least you learned some valuable lessons.
Posted by yaherrdme
The Place to Be
Member since Feb 2004
5892 posts
Posted on 1/31/19 at 10:04 pm to
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But U-Trip requires 75 points (or whatever) in order to "qualify" for one of the four weeks of World Series at one of the 28 locations they are held!!!!!!!!!!



Right...LOL....utrip has about 20 “World Series” champions in each age group each week starting in the summer....I highly doubt they would ever turn away any teams $ for not “qualifying”
Posted by Clark W Griswold
THE USA
Member since Sep 2012
10882 posts
Posted on 1/31/19 at 10:13 pm to
How come every team in the country wins the World Series and gets a ring too?
Posted by jac1280
Member since Dec 2007
5380 posts
Posted on 1/31/19 at 10:23 pm to
I umpire a lot of the World Series in Lafayette, Sulphur, Dallas, and orange beach. Some of the World Series have 2-4 brackets in one age group to determine a world champion because there are so many teams in that age group. I’ve seen brackets for seeds 1-8, 9-16, 17-23, and 24-32. LOL

And none of the winners play each other, so there are 4 world champions in that age group all from the same World Series LOL
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