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re: Funny, I didn't hear about this racist hate crime
Posted on 4/11/14 at 10:22 am to Michael J Cocks
Posted on 4/11/14 at 10:22 am to Michael J Cocks
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This is the wrong case to be trying to make a point.
well what case do you feel is appropriate? do you need a higher body count? a more violent act?
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The media are mostly to blame for anger on both sides, anytime there's a B on W or W on B crime.
true, but do you really think B on W crime is equally reported in comparison to W on B crime?
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Posted on 4/11/14 at 10:24 am to SabiDojo
Wrong. All murder is hate.
I comprehend the"hate crimes" tenor in it's composition, and it is inappropriate. I understand what it's about. But, ALL murder is hate and all murder should fall under a "hate ctime" designation. Or better, eliminate"hate ctime" legislation.
I comprehend the"hate crimes" tenor in it's composition, and it is inappropriate. I understand what it's about. But, ALL murder is hate and all murder should fall under a "hate ctime" designation. Or better, eliminate"hate ctime" legislation.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 10:24 am to Topwater Trout
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A case a few years ago in Tenn (memphis I believe) where 4-5 blacks killed a white couple in an incredibly heinous act was hardly even mentioned by the national media. If I recall he was set on fire and she was stuffed in a trash can after being raped. Much more gruesome details than I am providing. Had the races been reversed the media shite storm would have been epic.
right, but it wasn't widely reported was it?
compare that to Trayvon Martin's death.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 10:25 am to tigerinthebueche
Posted on 4/11/14 at 10:26 am to Tactical1
Why do so many black males have a lazy eye?
Posted on 4/11/14 at 10:27 am to Topwater Trout
You do realize for every case like the one you mention, there is one just as appalling on the other side that receives little or no attention.
I'm not saying it's right, but I am saying..... What the frick does it have to do with the OP?
We can argue all day about hate crimes that went unnoticed or ones that were mislabeled, but a few of us were just saying the crime in the OP is fricking disgusting and sickening, but not a hate crime. It didn't get big press, because unfortunately it's no more than a murder robbery.
I'm not saying it's right, but I am saying..... What the frick does it have to do with the OP?
We can argue all day about hate crimes that went unnoticed or ones that were mislabeled, but a few of us were just saying the crime in the OP is fricking disgusting and sickening, but not a hate crime. It didn't get big press, because unfortunately it's no more than a murder robbery.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 10:29 am to BestBanker
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Wrong. All murder is hate.
No, it's not. What about fathers who, after they lost everything in the stock market, killed their entire family? Was that an act of hate? Or was it an act perpetrated by a sick state of mind? Mainly, that those fathers feared that their family would fall into poverty and despair and eventually die. That motive doesn't involve hate.
This post was edited on 4/11/14 at 10:30 am
Posted on 4/11/14 at 10:30 am to Mo Jeaux
quote:While I agree with you, there are still some countries that are homogeneous and still extremely violent and crime ridden. Not Sweden, Finland, New Zealand or Norway though
They are a homogeneous culture. Look, I realize that we as a society are taught to worship at the altar of diversity right now, but the fact is that large groups of different races and/or cultures living in close proximity results in violent conflict.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 10:30 am to Michael J Cocks
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but not a hate crime.
How do you know? You're making a pretty big presumption based solely on the story in the OP, huh?
Posted on 4/11/14 at 10:32 am to Mo Jeaux
He's making a big assumption? You're calling it a hate crime just because the victims are white and the perp is black? That's a bigger assumption, imo.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 10:33 am to Michael J Cocks
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We can argue all day about hate crimes that went unnoticed or ones that were mislabeled, but a few of us were just saying the crime in the OP is fricking disgusting and sickening, but not a hate crime. It didn't get big press, because unfortunately it's no more than a murder robbery.
if a white guy had done that to a black couple it would have made the headlines. Hate crime or not.
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You do realize for every case like the one you mention, there is one just as appalling on the other side that receives little or no attention.
Cite one case where whites have done anything similar to blacks in last 30 years and it didn't make the headlines.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 10:35 am to Topwater Trout
Well, there was an actual hate crime against a black man here in Jackson not too long ago, and I was shocked at how little social backlash there was. The perps got deals too.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 10:35 am to Mo Jeaux
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How do you know? You're making a pretty big presumption based solely on the story in the OP, huh?
Well my first clue is that he said he shot the guy because he was gonna "tussle" leading me to believe it was a reactive response. If he walked up to him without trying to rob him, shot him in the head at point blank while yelling racial epithets, then minutes later bragged that his only motive was killing whitey, that would be a hate crime.
Eta: race wasn't the motive, robbery was
This post was edited on 4/11/14 at 10:41 am
Posted on 4/11/14 at 10:36 am to SabiDojo
What Is the Legal Definition of Murder? Murder is an intentional killing that is:
unlawful (in other words, the killing isn't legally justified), and
committed with "malice aforethought" (intent to harm or kill or reckless disregard for life).
unlawful (in other words, the killing isn't legally justified), and
committed with "malice aforethought" (intent to harm or kill or reckless disregard for life).
Posted on 4/11/14 at 10:39 am to Topwater Trout
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Cite one case where whites have done anything similar to blacks in last 30 years and it didn't make the headlines.
1.) You can use google just as well as I can.
2.) if it was a cover up, which happens quite often, how am I gonna find that?
3.) you use a shite ton of broad generalizations to make you're argument. If I were to actually point a few out, you'd simply dismiss them and still insist it happens way more to us poor white people.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 10:40 am to SabiDojo
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He's making a big assumption? You're calling it a hate crime just because the victims are white and the perp is black? That's a bigger assumption, imo.
Maybe, but is it inconceivable that the victim was targeted because he was white? Would that not justify hate crime prosecution? Again, this messiness is directly related to the asinine concept of hate crimes. I'm fine with prosecuting the perp solely for the actual common law crimes he committed, but that's not the framework that our society is working with now.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 10:41 am to BestBanker
I see what you're saying, but "malice" isn't to be taken literally as hate. It's just intent.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 10:42 am to Michael J Cocks
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Well my first clue is that he said he shot the guy because he was gonna "tussle" leading me to believe it was a reactive response.
Ok, so based on the perp's statements, we're going with no hate crime in connection with the murder. Fine. What about in connection with the separate crime of robbery? Shall we ask the perp about that?
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If he walked up to him without trying to rob him, shot him in the head at point blank while yelling racial epithets, then minutes later bragged that his only motive was killing whitey, that would be a hate crime.
Oh, that's the easy case. Those are no fun.
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Eta: race wasn't the motive, robbery was
Robbery was the motive for what? Robbery was one of the crimes committed.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 10:43 am to tigerinthebueche
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Funny, I didn't hear about this racist hate crime
Wait, if you didn't hear about it, how did you post a link to the story?
Posted on 4/11/14 at 10:43 am to Mo Jeaux
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Maybe, but is it inconceivable that the victim was targeted because he was white?
It's not inconceivable if they didn't already have the motive and confession.
Again, it was 5am. They were waiting for the first, weakest individual to cross their path. If he was bigger and more intimidating or looked like he had a weapon, I'm sure they would have waited for anyone that appeared weaker.
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