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Franken-algorithms: The Deadly Consequences of Unpredictable Code

Posted on 7/29/19 at 2:50 pm
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 7/29/19 at 2:50 pm
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The 18th of March 2018, was the day tech insiders had been dreading. That night, a new moon added almost no light to a poorly lit four-lane road in Tempe, Arizona, as a specially adapted Uber Volvo XC90 detected an object ahead. Part of the modern gold rush to develop self-driving vehicles, the SUV had been driving autonomously, with no input from its human backup driver, for 19 minutes. An array of radar and light-emitting lidar sensors allowed onboard algorithms to calculate that, given their host vehicle’s steady speed of 43mph, the object was six seconds away – assuming it remained stationary. But objects in roads seldom remain stationary, so more algorithms crawled a database of recognizable mechanical and biological entities, searching for a fit from which this one’s likely behavior could be inferred.

At first the computer drew a blank; seconds later, it decided it was dealing with another car, expecting it to drive away and require no special action. Only at the last second was a clear identification found – a woman with a bike, shopping bags hanging confusingly from handlebars, doubtless assuming the Volvo would route around her as any ordinary vehicle would. Barred from taking evasive action on its own, the computer abruptly handed control back to its human master, but the master wasn’t paying attention. Elaine Herzberg, aged 49, was struck and killed, leaving more reflective members of the tech community with two uncomfortable questions: was this algorithmic tragedy inevitable? And how used to such incidents would we, should we, be prepared to get?

“In some ways we’ve lost agency. When programs pass into code and code passes into algorithms and then algorithms start to create new algorithms, it gets farther and farther from human agency. Software is released into a code universe which no one can fully understand.”


Just a matter of time. The human era is already over. The machine era is well underway LINK
Posted by castorinho
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Posted on 7/29/19 at 2:54 pm to
Posted by Displaced
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 7/29/19 at 2:55 pm to
In the time it took you to create that post, 5 people were killed in human controlled automobile accidents.
Posted by PrivatePublic
Member since Nov 2012
17848 posts
Posted on 7/29/19 at 3:00 pm to
What kind of algorithm doesn't automatically reduce speed as an unidentified object draws near?

Some programmer shite the bed.
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 7/29/19 at 3:00 pm to
I'm willing to bet the % of deadly crashes attributed to machine/code error will be significantly lower than the crashes caused by human error

Hopefully autonomously driven vehicles will all but eliminate crashes due to driver impairment
This post was edited on 7/29/19 at 3:05 pm
Posted by vuvuzela
Oregon
Member since Jun 2010
14663 posts
Posted on 7/29/19 at 3:00 pm to
Interesting topic and read. Will be interesting to see how humans leverage AI for our day to day activities. Writing is on the wall there, for sure.
Posted by eScott
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 7/29/19 at 3:02 pm to
Look both ways before you cross the street. I see way too many people just walking across cross walks without looking because they have the right of way.
Posted by TheHarahanian
Actually not Harahan as of 6/2023
Member since May 2017
24340 posts
Posted on 7/29/19 at 3:02 pm to
It wasn't an accident.

Posted by JPinLondon
not in London (currently NW Ohio)
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 7/29/19 at 3:03 pm to
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In the time it took you to create that post, 5 people were killed in human controlled automobile accidents.
Elaine Herzberg, with her groceries and skull contents leaking onto that road in Tempe thinks your reply is shitty, and wishes her life wasn't being experimented with by Silicon Valley.
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Member since Apr 2012
17754 posts
Posted on 7/29/19 at 3:04 pm to
quote:

In the time it took you to create that post, 5 people were killed in human controlled automobile accidents.



it really is weird that our society tolerates thousands of deaths per day at the hands of bad human drivers yet shits their pants when an error is found during the development phase of the one true solution for safer streets and highways
This post was edited on 7/29/19 at 3:05 pm
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
106046 posts
Posted on 7/29/19 at 3:05 pm to
This is just the tip of the iceberg. Eventually algorithms will be managing not just individuals cars and airplanes, but entire systems. Chemical plants, nuclear plants, electrical grids, air traffic control systems, because all those things are getting more and more complex and beyond the capability of a human to handle. And no one will know what they're doing.

Posted by jbgleason
Bailed out of BTR to God's Country
Member since Mar 2012
20386 posts
Posted on 7/29/19 at 3:05 pm to
It pains me to defend a machine but you should watch the video of this incident. That lady was getting hit by a car that night and I don’t care if the top F1 driver in the world with cat like reaction times was driving. She was wearing dark clothing and walking a bike across the street in the middle of the road and not at an intersection.
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 7/29/19 at 3:07 pm to
quote:

Elaine Herzberg, with her groceries and skull contents leaking onto that road in Tempe thinks your reply is shitty, and wishes her life wasn't being experimented with by Silicon Valley.



Her death is tragic but this testing will ultimately save thousands if not millions of lives in the future.

How many people died while aircraft were being perfected?
How many people died while vaccines were being developed?
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
42724 posts
Posted on 7/29/19 at 3:09 pm to
As someone who drives a lot for work, I cannot wait for self driving cars.

Also as someone who likes to drink, I cannot wait for self driving cars
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 7/29/19 at 3:14 pm to
quote:

How many people died while aircraft were being perfected?

Involuntarily, probably very, very few.
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 7/29/19 at 3:20 pm to
Yet, we put a man on the moon with the combined computing power of my phone.
Posted by Tigeralum2008
Yankees Fan
Member since Apr 2012
17754 posts
Posted on 7/29/19 at 3:22 pm to
quote:

Involuntarily, probably very, very few.



Experimental Aircraft never crashed into homes?

How about the 737Max issues. Should we stop the development of autopilot features?
This post was edited on 7/29/19 at 3:23 pm
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
21401 posts
Posted on 7/29/19 at 3:27 pm to
quote:

Experimental Aircraft never crashed into homes?

I was more speaking on the origins of flight, when we were closer to 25% of the population we have now. But I can see your point, and withdraw my argument
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
38566 posts
Posted on 7/29/19 at 3:32 pm to
quote:

It pains me to defend a machine but you should watch the video of this incident. That lady was getting hit by a car that night and I don’t care if the top F1 driver in the world with cat like reaction times was driving. She was wearing dark clothing and walking a bike across the street in the middle of the road and not at an intersection.
I just checked it out. You're right. I would have been hard-pressed not to hit her.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
94675 posts
Posted on 7/29/19 at 3:32 pm to
quote:

Elaine Herzberg, with her groceries and skull contents leaking onto that road in Tempe thinks your reply is shitty, and wishes her life wasn't being experimented with by Silicon Valley.
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