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re: Four family members killed in Christmas Eve plane crash in Florida

Posted on 12/24/17 at 8:42 pm to
Posted by hottub
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 12/24/17 at 8:42 pm to
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picture him being cautious and wanting to burn off the fog before attempting takeoff. I'd imagine the girls were amped to be home and going to the Keys for the day. Didn't want to waste the day so they told him to go for it.


Sorry for the loss, but I hope he didn’t cave to the pressure of getting to the Keys by the daughters. Unfortunately, what family he has left will have to not only suffer the loss of multiple loved ones, but also the estate will most likely have a legal battle with the family friend’s family. All around sad situation.
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 12/24/17 at 8:45 pm to
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I would guess heart disease first.


Happens more than you would think, I knew one of four guys killed in a crash in N. Carolina some years ago. It was also a light twin, the 70 something year old pilot had a coronary right after becoming airborne.
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 12/24/17 at 9:10 pm to
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Do they have access to advice and/or mandates when flying out of small places? Like even how beaches have colored flags for example. Genuinely curious as to how amateur pilots determine conditions.


You get a weather briefing for your intended route before takeoff as part of the flight planning, and today it is pretty common to have something like XM aviation weather in the plane. The weather radar is overlaid over a chart of the area you will be flying through on a display that is part of the plane's flight instruments, or on external device like a ipad or smart phone. You can also get reports from pilots that have flown the same route ahead of you. The technology available to general aviation aircraft and their pilots is often more advance than what the major airlines are using.
Posted by biggsc
Member since Mar 2009
34777 posts
Posted on 12/24/17 at 9:11 pm to
That is true. I remember close to ten years ago when a doctor out of Tuscaloosa died in a small plane crash
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 12/24/17 at 9:23 pm to
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That is true. I remember close to ten years ago when a doctor out of Tuscaloosa died in a small plane crash



It is a unfortunate reality, just like cars planes crash. Statistically flying in a general aviation aircraft is more risky than driving a car, but many times safer than riding a motorcycle. Owning and operating a plane is very expensive, so those that do tend to be higher income professionals like doctors. Because of this when someone is killed in a crash there is a higher probability of it being a doctor. Of all the private pilots I have known, it seems like probably half were a medical doctor of some type.
This post was edited on 12/24/17 at 9:25 pm
Posted by mikelbr
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2008
49100 posts
Posted on 12/24/17 at 9:47 pm to
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You get a weather briefing for your intended route before takeoff as part of the flight planning, and today it is pretty common to have something like XM aviation weather in the plane.

Thanks.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91874 posts
Posted on 12/24/17 at 10:00 pm to
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He flew for the military back in the day. I thought that would take him above "amateur". However, it's all for naught now. Thanks for the clarification. Merry Christmas. I pray it's better than ours


Well then yeah, he's not an amateur. Your original post made it sound like he's been an amateur pilot since the 80s.

You're right though, it doesn't matter at this point. Again, sorry for your loss.
Posted by RedFoxx
New Orleans, LA
Member since Jan 2009
6826 posts
Posted on 12/24/17 at 10:13 pm to
Very tragic. A lot of the time it comes down to proficiency vs. currenency.

Just because you're legal to fly in those conditions doesnt mean you're sharp.

Always hate to second guess/armchair qb a pilot. Very tragic.
Posted by RedRifle
Austin/NO
Member since Dec 2013
8335 posts
Posted on 12/25/17 at 8:33 am to
He was a pretty good pilot.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 12/25/17 at 8:43 am to
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remember close to ten years ago when a doctor out of Tuscaloosa died in a small plane crash


Plane crash deaths are fairly common here. Coworker lost her brother last spring in a twin engine crash. He was trying to show his passenger how he could restart the engines in case of engine failure.
This post was edited on 12/25/17 at 8:45 am
Posted by 257WBY
Member since Feb 2014
8575 posts
Posted on 12/25/17 at 8:51 am to
You see the entire spectrum with pilots. There are the overly cautious who want weather updates every five minutes and there are those that treat a plane like a pickup truck ride to town.
No matter the experience level, a 70 year old pilot’s skills have greatly diminished over the years. A major factor in many crashes is the fact that the pilot or passengers have got to get to their destination. I remember a lawyer who was getting married the following day. He “had” to get home. His Bonanza ended up in tiny pieces in the Arkansas Delta after flying through a thunderstorm.
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
92388 posts
Posted on 12/25/17 at 8:59 am to
Damn, my buddy's dad will be pretty upset about this.

He was Jimmy Buffet's private pilot for years and now owns the flight school in Lakeland. If you fly in Lakeland, good chance he knows or even trained you.

Sad sad sad.

ETA: Hog, do you know who I'm talking about? And sorry for your loss, man.
This post was edited on 12/25/17 at 9:04 am
Posted by latech15
Member since Aug 2015
1291 posts
Posted on 12/25/17 at 9:05 am to
Fog isn’t a problem to fly through as long as its legal to fly. Meaning, you have to have minimum visibility in order to take off. As that visibility is down the runway though. The dense fog can be at 200 feet, and you are still good to go. The problem is that when you are in complete “white out” IMC conditions, the pilot is responsible for so many things. Especially during take off. Gear, flaps, power settings, climbing, turning on course, working the radios. All while trying to fly straight and level (or turning or whatever). That situation is taxing on a pilot without a good autopilot. I would venture a guess that at 70, that situation was beyond his capabilities. Even more so if he doesn’t fly in that situation on a regular basis.

The majority of the planes in the air now are at least 20 years old and aren’t set up for hard IFR flying. Not for pilots that aren’t very proficient.
Posted by LSUsmartass
Scompton
Member since Sep 2004
82755 posts
Posted on 12/25/17 at 9:06 am to
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He wasn't an amateur pilot. He had been flying since the 80's.

So he flied full time and made his living at it?
Posted by whit
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
11080 posts
Posted on 12/25/17 at 9:08 am to
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He was trying to show his passenger how he could restart the engines in case of engine failure.
jesus, can you imagine the passengers reaction when when the engines weren’t restarting. I’d be like “ok, you can stop frickin with me now”
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 12/25/17 at 9:11 am to
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So he flied full time and made his living at it?


Flew?

Good god man
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 12/25/17 at 9:25 am to
I have wanted to take lessons for years but every time I start to get serious about it I remember that I know three people who have died in separate general aviation crashes. Including this young lady that was also involved in a Christmas Eve crash in 2015 LINK

I don't know that many that have died in auto accidents.

My bother had to put a Cessna down in a corn field once and was not injured and I know a retired air force pilot that put a small twin engine down in the Gulf--fortunately he did it near a rig and was quickly rescued.

Those things put it into perspective for me.

No way a general aviation pilot flying even once a week can be as safe as a commercial pilot flying a commercially maintained, frequently used airplane.

I am so sorry to hear of your tragedy.
Posted by Brazos
Member since Oct 2013
20557 posts
Posted on 12/25/17 at 9:36 am to
Wow sorry to hear this. Prayers for your family.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
122545 posts
Posted on 12/25/17 at 9:40 am to

You have a 1 and 25 million chance of dying in a plane crash, 1 and 2 million chance of dying by lightning.. That sucks.
Posted by LSUgirl4
Member since Sep 2009
39501 posts
Posted on 12/25/17 at 9:40 am to
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Christmas Eve crash in 2015 LINK
wow. so sad.

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oweo
that's why it's in my top 3 fears of all time.
This post was edited on 12/25/17 at 9:46 am
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