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re: Fort Worth Officer Aaron Dean Charged With Murder
Posted on 10/15/19 at 8:56 am to MoarKilometers
Posted on 10/15/19 at 8:56 am to MoarKilometers
I can sorta understand the Amber Guyger situation and how it could have happened but she certainly should be punished.The Fort Worth cop shooting through a window is totally stupid.Some people shouldn’t be policeman.Problem is,police departments all over the country are short of policeman and also short of applicants.
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Posted on 10/15/19 at 9:03 am to Tigertracks
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According to the media, this is all about bad white cops, quote the beginning of the story:
When the headline on Breitbart is: "Fort Worth cop resigns after fatally shooting black woman" you know race is going to be in every media outlet headline.
I would like to think we would be moving past this but tOT starts speculating as to race as soon as any major headline hits. It seems a natural instinct that we just can't seem to drop.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 9:32 am to Sao
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see the Thin Blue Lyin' talking points have been forwarded by great-aunts and uncles.
Where in this thread is anyone excusing his behavior?
Posted on 10/15/19 at 9:35 am to Bestbank Tiger
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Didn't bother to identify his target.
I am loving that the family attorney keeps saying two things back to back.
1. He fired so quickly there was no way he could have identified the target and/or perceived a threat.
2. He shot her because he identified her as being black.
Which is it? Because it can't be both of those. Meanwhile, the PD has forwarded the case file to the FBI to determine if Civil Rights charges are warranted. How can it be a Civil Rights violation? And how the hell do they have a complete case file to forward when they didn't even try to interview the officer until yesterday afternoon?
Posted on 10/15/19 at 9:37 am to TigersSEC2010
Hate to say it but I can see him getting off because they overcharged here. Gonna be hard to prove intent unless he gave them something. I'd have gone with the highest manslaughter charge to make sure he does solid time.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 9:55 am to PrivatePublic
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Hate to say it but I can see him getting off because they overcharged here. Gonna be hard to prove intent unless he gave them something. I'd have gone with the highest manslaughter charge to make sure he does solid time.
You are conflating premeditation with intent. Something many people did during the Guyger trial. The element of intent is satisfied by the fact he intentionally pulled the trigger while aiming at the person with the intention to cause death or great bodily harm.
His actions absolutely meet the requirements for 19.02 murder in Texas. The question is what are his affirmative defense(s). Manslaughter in TX does not require the element of intent which is replaced by reckless action but it is hard to argue he did not have intent here, the same as Guyger. By Texas statute, 19.02 murder is the correct charge. Texas homicide statutes are rather wide-ranging and the wide-ranging sentance structure reflects that fact.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 10:27 am to crewdepoo
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He shot a woman in her house and has yet to give a reason why.
Obvious answer here is obvious.
He was out that night, looking for a black human to shoot and kill. That was his intention that night. Had the opportunity and when she appeared, his initial reaction was “OH MY GOD, a black person! No one is gonna miss her! Teehee! I’m shooting her to kill her!”
Posted on 10/15/19 at 10:30 am to Obtuse1
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he intentionally pulled the trigger while aiming at the person with the intention to cause death or great bodily harm.
But why?
Because of her race?
Posted on 10/15/19 at 10:40 am to Prominentwon
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But why?
Because of her race?
It doesn't matter what the reasoning was regarding the charge. His affirmative defenses will be presented at trial if he fails to proffer a legal defense that the jury accepts then he is guilty of murder.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 10:41 am to TigersSEC2010
Seriously?? She'll do five years.
Drug users get more time. The line helped her.
Drug users get more time. The line helped her.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 10:45 am to Giantkiller
Well primary job focus is revenue collection.
Someone needs to write tickets.
Someone needs to write tickets.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 10:48 am to Obtuse1
There's a video going around Facebook with a black guy pulled over, but recording. Cop says "turn your car off" the second the black guy moves the cop yells "he has a gun" do the black guy sticks both hands out the window and refuses every other order from the officer. As he's afraid for his life after catching the officer lying on video. Alsk it looks like the officer WANTS to shoot him.
We should vet the people we put in charge of our protection better.
We should vet the people we put in charge of our protection better.
This post was edited on 10/15/19 at 10:49 am
Posted on 10/15/19 at 10:48 am to crewdepoo
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He shot a woman in her house and has yet to give a reason why.
Hope he gets the chair
Posted on 10/15/19 at 10:57 am to fallguy_1978
quote:You wanna do that with the #s extrapolated by the amount of citizens vs the amount of cops?
I'd love to see the stats on people killed by the police in Dallas in 2019 vs the general public. You and I both know what they would look like though
I don't think the numbers will be what you think they are if so.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 11:21 am to texashorn
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By the way, do you have $20,000 in cash lying around, to pay your percentage of that bond? Better bust out that American Express card.
By the way, I got a higher bond than this murderer for cultivation of marijuana. A whopping 27.5 sq ft worth of grow space. My attorney directly stated to not bond out, but my less than a year old house on 25 acres said I has enough to post 100% of my $250,003. He said it was that high for personal reasons and to take the time out. I miraculously got bunked with a guy facing murder charges, dude's been on death row almost a decade now.
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Bail isn't a punishment, it's a guarantee to show up for court or keep someone behind bars who's likely to break the law again.
I clearly don't think that this is true, despite what the constitution says, I've experienced punitive bond as previously noted. A crime which carried no possible jail time because of my lack of prior convictions. One of the little factors you left out was the type of crime alleged. It is murder in this case.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 11:36 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Color had nothing to do with this. The people who keep pushing the race differences are the people directly responsible for the determination of race relations with police.
they are trained to see blacks as dangerous. we are as a society and have been forever. you can all deny it because it's easier to deny it but it doens't make it any less true. the fact that racism exists does not make you bad people unless you also believe that what racists say is true. what you're doing is a protective mechanism. but you're still wrong.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 11:40 am to sanora
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they are trained to see blacks as dangerous.
Can any cop or former cop back this claim?
Posted on 10/15/19 at 12:54 pm to Prominentwon
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An arrest warrant obtained Tuesday quoted the victim's 8-year-old nephew as saying his aunt, Atatiana Jefferson, "heard noises coming from outside, and she took her handgun from her purse. The boy said his aunt "raised her handgun, pointed it toward the window" and "was shot and fell to the ground."
LINK
How do they still arrest and charge him with murder with that statement...?
This post was edited on 10/15/19 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 10/15/19 at 1:04 pm to sanora
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they are trained to see blacks as dangerous. we are as a society and have been forever. you can all deny it because it's easier to deny it but it doens't make it any less true. the fact that racism exists does not make you bad people unless you also believe that what racists say is true. what you're doing is a protective mechanism. but you're still wrong.
Who is doing the training?
Posted on 10/15/19 at 1:29 pm to BayouBengals18
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How do they still arrest and charge him with murder with that statement...?
This does complicate matters but lets try to break it down.
If it was just another citizen who say saw the door open and instead of calling the police checked it out themselves and shot the woman it would likely result in arrest for murder in TX. LEOs in most jurisdictions are allowed to do things the citizen can't in order to do their jobs effectively. There are some jurisdictions (too lazy to log into Westlaw and try to track down TX precedent) that have case law that holds when an officer significantly breaches protocol they lose any of the special privileges and are viewed criminally and civilly just like a normal citizen. It is more complicated than that but that is a rough idea. If TX has similar law he may have indeed breached protocol particularly with the lack of announcement as police.
In the end, what she apparently did was completely legal assuming she owned the gun legally. As I said before his actions rise to 19.02 murder in TX it is just a matter of whether he has affirmative defenses that will sway a jury if it indeed goes that far.
The greater moral question is how innocent lives balance against officers safety. In a morbid way, we as a society have to decide which lives are worth more when we construct laws to deal with these situations as rare as they may be.
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