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re: Forbes Piece: Flexible Work Was The Promise. The Infinite Workday Is The Reality

Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:19 am to
Posted by Artificial Ignorance
Member since Feb 2025
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Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:19 am to
Depends…

For me, infinite indeed. Global role. 5-6am starts (Europe & Asia mtgs) and 7-9pm (Asia mtgs). Sorry, Flat Earthers…but I’ve seen w/own eyes suns and moons at the same time on these calls…but I digress). Try to balance in between.

Dealing with staff member who has made WFH a lifestyle (slipping in work around trips, exercise, and side hustles).

Brings many good things if committed and hard working staff. Does not replace need and sometimes efficiency of F2F. But offers so much value in right people and work setting. However, fraught with challenges if someone seeks to exploit it, whether they think they are or not.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
63674 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:20 am to
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Dealing with staff member who has made WFH a lifestyle (slipping in work around trips, exercise, and side hustles).


This guy gets it.
Posted by redneck hippie
Oklahoma
Member since Dec 2008
6413 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:24 am to
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working at the office was better.


Same. I thought I would enjoy WFH after 20+ years in an office environment. I miss the constant human interactions. I’m a people person. I think introverts probably wfh fine
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
59175 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:25 am to
Happy pride month to all the work from homers out there
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
93292 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:26 am to
I have a co-worker who isn't very good at what he does. Older guy but just lost in space all the time.

That wouldn't necessarily bother me because I'm always happy to help fix a situation if I can.

But I'm done with this guy. He thinks it's ok now to add me to a teams meeting a couple hours before it starts with ZERO context and not so much as a heads up on teams to ask if I minded to join something at the last minute .

The cherry on top is I joined and he opened the call with the customer with "I'll let CAD lead this call".

frick

THAT.

He pulled this again a couple weeks ago on a day I was on PTO and even though I saw it on my phone I ignored it and the frantic teams and phone calls. My automatic replies were on and calendar marked as PTO.

I didn't say a word the next day I was in and his supervisor reached out to me and asked if he was habitually doing shite like that to me and if so he would take care of it.

So I didn't RA but someone else must have
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8364 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:26 am to
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And yes, it can help. AI can handle the clutter: drafting emails, summarizing notes, scheduling meetings. But if we treat that freed-up time as space to do even more, we’re not fixing the problem—we’re accelerating it.


I think a not often mentioned psychological aspect of this too is that we expect things from our co-workers much faster than in the past, and they expect the same from us. So if you have really... lets call them 'intense'... people in the office, they freak the frick out if they don't have whatever they want right when they want it. And with AI its only going to get worse.
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
31669 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:27 am to
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One thing I’ve found that does irk me is some high school teachers and college professors have used this technology of availability to push things on students that we didn’t have to deal with when I was in school. Didn’t have to turn in some assignment online by 11:59pm. Certainly not in high school. So I feel bad for kids who end up with teachers and professors who make it tough for them to unplug and just handle after school hours shite the way we did.


I bet these are multiday assignments with a deadline. Teachers gives the kids BY THE END OF THE WEEK, or 2weeks or 6 weeks or whatever for projects call for, and they have to have a deadline.l which would be that 11:59pm.
This post was edited on 6/18/25 at 11:34 am
Posted by Draco Malfoy
Member since Mar 2024
2858 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:27 am to
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Yeah, that's the thing about WFH. If you're doing things right, you're just as productive work-wise, and then you're using those free times between meetings or when you don't have any scheduled task to either truly relax where you're not being watched or be productive in your home-life. That beats just sitting there at a desk all day, five days a week, rotting and trying to make small-talk with colleagues when you've run out of small-talk talking points by Wednesday hahaha



I can’t upvote this enough. My line of work has ebbs and flows with how busy we are based on various things. Now instead of mindlessly browsing the internet for 8 hours in an office during the slow times, I can game, exercise, house stuff, yard work, etc.

Most importantly I get to spend a TON of more time with my two kids that are under 4
This post was edited on 6/18/25 at 8:31 am
Posted by Clint Torres
Member since Oct 2011
2845 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:29 am to
The amount of time you piss away in the office with water cooler BS talking about the new restaurant in town or how shitty the Saints game was is a complete waste.
This post was edited on 6/18/25 at 8:32 am
Posted by Friendly Satan
Member since Nov 2024
1638 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:30 am to
Everyone is a teacher now?
Posted by LouisianaLady
Member since Mar 2009
83032 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:35 am to
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Like I always have, I decline the shite out of meeting invitations. No agenda? Declined. No clear need for me to be there? Declined. No idea what this is about? Declined. Internal only when I have customer work to do? Declined.


100%.

At least in my experience, the only people who invite me to way too many meetings that don’t need to be meetings are folks several generations above me. I’ve learned to just politely say I don’t think I need to be on something and ignore the request when it’s a situation like that. I think some people just feel like they’re being more productive when they have more eyes and ears on a meeting, but it’s the opposite. It pulls everyone away from their actual work.

Our team seems to have a clear divide between people who are “conceptual” employees (on calls all day long with clients and internal staff) versus employees who avoid pointless calls in order to get actual projects done. The people in the former group have value/function, in that they usually build close relationships with clients, potential clients, and outside companies we work alongside for clients. But without the people in the latter group, nothing would get done work wise that we promise to do.

Just a personality difference, but I will never understand the type of person who likes to sit on unnecessary calls all day long.

Don’t even get me started on people who have access to my calendar and put calls on it without asking. Phew. Drives me wild.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
72094 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:36 am to
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The amount of time you piss away in the office with water cooler BS talking about the new restaurant in town or how shitty the Saints game was is a complete waste.


Speak for yourself. We didn't have that kind of culture at my office.

For those that did, the water cooler time has been replaced with dicking off on the internet or chores around the house or (insert non-work here).

Posted by AllDayEveryDay
The Sticks
Member since Jun 2015
9725 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:36 am to
Do people know they can turn these message alerts off? I check when I have the ability throughout my day. I'd highly suggest the course "Working Smart with Outlook" by Priority Management, I make sure all my direct reports go through it. It really has helped prioritize my day.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
29212 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:37 am to
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Pre-COVID, there were many times when I would be talking to someone, need a third person’s input, and simply walk over and ask them. After a 3-5 minute conversation, it’s done.

Nowadays that same discussion involves at least one person who is remote or located at another office. Instead of a quick conversation in person, someone sets up a Teams call. Probably for 30 minutes.


Agree.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
72094 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:40 am to
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I’ve learned to just politely say I don’t think I need to be on something and ignore the request when it’s a situation like that


I'm aggressive about it now. I edit the response and put in why I am declining it (no agenda, too many people involved already, etc). It's dramatically cut down on the invitations I get, for the most part the ones I get now are ones I actually need to contribute to.

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Just a personality difference, but I will never understand the type of person who likes to sit on unnecessary calls all day long.


Lots of people accept any meeting invitation that has anyone important on it. It's hilarious to note the attendance and participation in meetings and how it varies based on how much upper management is in it. The world is full of professional arse kissers, and it seems to work well for them.

Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
76373 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:41 am to
I am in a weird position where I have coworkers/employees all over the world, but mainly Europe, Asia, and the West Coast. I sign in to 20 or so emails from our Europe team (5 of which are actionable), and I sign out to get emails from our West Coast team up to 9 PM. Unfortunately everyone always needs something, so I basically get actionable emails for 18 hours a day.

I busted my arse, have been paid well for it, but I can feel myself burning out. I have brain fog, I'm tired all the time, and my anger (which is already something I have to watch) is on an absolute hair trigger.

The bigger impact is making decisions. It blows my mind how few people actually make decisions, and once you show yourself to be a person that can make decisions, how every group your involved with now wants a piece of that action. Suddenly you need to be on the board for clubs, church, ect. I don't get energy from making decisions, so on weekends when I should be relaxing now I'm reading bylaws and making financial suggestions for my hobby group.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
29212 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:42 am to
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I work in the oilfield and am constantly working after hours. It’s 24hr support in our contract so 2am they have an issue I get up and login


Kind of similar for us. Don’t have a contract that requires picking the phone at 2am (wouldn’t do much good anyway for what we do), but if the cell rings on a Saturday or Sunday and it’s the field, you probably need to pick up. It’s why I don’t really monitor PTO hours for my crew and also give them flexibility to WFH periodically on “office” days, because we do have to handle shite on the weekends, unlike many other coworkers.
Posted by bad93ex
Walnut Cove
Member since Sep 2018
36104 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:42 am to
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Lots of people accept any meeting invitation that has anyone important on it. It's hilarious to note the attendance and participation in meetings and how it varies based on how much upper management is in it. The world is full of professional arse kissers, and it seems to work well for them.



It's the same people who take photos of the PowerPoint presentations when everyone at the meeting will be meeting will receive a copy of said presentation.
Posted by westbankdabestbank
Back of Ames
Member since Nov 2024
192 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:44 am to
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In my experience, I've found that the people in my office want to work from home moreso because of the freedom that it gives you to sort of do whatever you want rather than them "being more productive" at home.
This is part of it but the number one reason is commuting sucks. Why would anyone want to waste two hours of their day stuck in traffic?
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
80869 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:45 am to
I'm fortunate. When I leave at 5 I'm done.
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