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re: Florida Cop Shoots Pet Dog Feet From Terrified Homeowners (Graphic)
Posted on 10/22/15 at 10:45 am to NYNolaguy1
Posted on 10/22/15 at 10:45 am to NYNolaguy1
Oh. OK.
I'm not sure that LucasP would be impressed but it was a noble effort.
I'm not sure that LucasP would be impressed but it was a noble effort.
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Posted on 10/22/15 at 10:57 am to Clyde Tipton
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Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of having a dog?
"Honey, there's a black guy at the door I've never seen before... be sure and put the dog up."
Wait.
You are going to have to pick a narrative here. Was he some curious playful animal that was just so happy to greet a new friend that he couldn't contain himself, or was it an animal you want to have loose just in case to attack that stranger for protection.
This post was edited on 10/22/15 at 11:01 am
Posted on 10/22/15 at 11:09 am to Salmon
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am I too just assume that every dog that runs out of doors is doing it because it is going to bite someone? every time my neighbors beagle slips between his legs and out the door when I knock on it, am I too assume that he is going to bite me?
I think any dog running up to me like that is going to bite me, except my neighbor's dog. I know my neighbor's dog's behavior.
The cop was wrong and the dog owner was wrong, period.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 11:10 am to Sparkplug#1
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The cop was wrong and the dog owner was wrong, period.
right
but there are levels of wrongness
the cops levels far exceed the owners
Posted on 10/22/15 at 11:11 am to Volvagia
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Let's take an example. Cop pulls over drug dealer. Cop finds drugs in car. Cop testifies in court that drugs were in plain sight. In reality they were in glove box. Is the police officer really doing anyone a disservice by making sure the drugs don't get suppressed b/c of an illegal search?
YES!!!! you idiot:
1 Lying under oath
2 Undermining justice system
3 Wrongful persecution
4 Entrapment
5 Undermining a sworn oath to uphold the Constitution
6 Illegal search and seizure
7 Wasting tax payer money because case will be thrown out and cop help in contempt not to mention calling in question ALL other convictions from said cop.
*Time for your boot licking apologist self to GTFO
This post was edited on 10/22/15 at 11:16 am
Posted on 10/22/15 at 11:14 am to ninthward
How was the dog owner at fault, dog was not loose and on private property? In my county that is legal. Cop need to not be Dick Tracy and move onto a real crime, hopefully he loses his job.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 11:46 am to ninthward
It's an unfortunate situation. This guy meeds to not be a cop. Not everyone is cut out for it.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 12:02 pm to Jorts R Us
I'm sure there is a job in the department for him, it just doesn't need to be one where he has to make decisions in stressful situations. Not that I think he's a bad dude, just that he has brought distrust and a negative opinion of police to his department.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 12:18 pm to Barf
Yeah, but he had some mad wild west quick draw skills.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 12:29 pm to Sao
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Justified or Doggie Murder?
I'd hate to be the judge that has to decide this case. My guess is it will settle out of court and detective will get some desk time.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 12:38 pm to Sao
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One of our detectives was in the area and noticed one of the car doors was open,” said Florida City Police Department public information officer Ken Armenteros. “The detective was concerned that there may have been a crime that occurred so he got out to alert the homeowners.”
So a car door cracked open is evidence that a crime may have occurred?
Or was this detective trying to be a flirt with the girls he saw go inside?
So I must completely shut my car door when I run inside my home or a detective will come to my door out of the blue to investigate ?
Posted on 10/22/15 at 12:44 pm to ninthward
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How was the dog owner at fault, dog was not loose and on private property? In my county that is legal. Cop need to not be Dick Tracy and move onto a real crime, hopefully he loses his job.
She was obviously undressed as she ran outdoors with a bra on.
It seems she was simply trying to crack the door open & see what this guy wanted & the dog slipped out.
I agree. Guy needs to find another line of work.
A car door cracked open outside my home is evidence that a crime may have occurred? A cop will be that curious to come on my private property because he sees a car door open?
How many damn car doors does he see ajar in a person's yard on a daily basis?
BS.
This Cop probably was more interested in the young girls he saw go inside .
Posted on 10/22/15 at 12:57 pm to sugar71
FWIW, it was probably just a check to see if they knew the door was open.
If you are going to judge, at least pretend to be aware that there are facts out side of what is reported that go into a situation.
You think that vid camera was there to record the UPS guy? Or was it in response to crime?
What if there was a rash of car break ins in the recent past, leading to increased patrols, and why an unattended open door being suspicious.
It's obvious they weren't going back and forth due to the state of undress, so at worst they were being vandalized and at best they were going to risk killing their battery. Both of which would involve getting out of the car to check out, even if it was to help out by closing the door.
Is that what happened? No clue, and that's the point. How the hell can you judge without a clue?
But hey, that's no fun, so go ahead and carry on.
If you are going to judge, at least pretend to be aware that there are facts out side of what is reported that go into a situation.
You think that vid camera was there to record the UPS guy? Or was it in response to crime?
What if there was a rash of car break ins in the recent past, leading to increased patrols, and why an unattended open door being suspicious.
It's obvious they weren't going back and forth due to the state of undress, so at worst they were being vandalized and at best they were going to risk killing their battery. Both of which would involve getting out of the car to check out, even if it was to help out by closing the door.
Is that what happened? No clue, and that's the point. How the hell can you judge without a clue?
But hey, that's no fun, so go ahead and carry on.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 1:00 pm to Volvagia
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It's obvious they weren't going back and forth due to the state of undress
the other chick was dressed and said she just ran inside to get something
Posted on 10/22/15 at 1:04 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Except one small point. There's no qualified immunity for being a pizza delivery guy. All a police officer has to do is convince a judge that a reasonable police officer would have done the same and he is off the hook.
I think that will be difficult to prove for a pizza delivery guy unless you know of more stories where a pizza guy opened fire? I doubt that a judge would find that reasonable.
You need to go back to the books, or read the post to which I was responding, or both. There is no qualified immunity against prosecution for the commission of a crime. I was not commenting on civil liability.
The analysis would be the same under either circumstance (LEO or PDG), did the shooter commit a crime by shooting the dog. Since the likely defense is self-defense, the analysis would be the same, assuming the same facts, including the videotape evidence of a pizza guy responding in the same objectively reasonable way that the police officer responded.
As an aside, anyone who orders a pizza and sics their dog on the pizza delivery guy probably deserves to be shot along with their dog.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 1:05 pm to Volvagia
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You think that vid camera was there to record the UPS guy? Or was it in response to crime?
We have never had any issues with theft at our house. There are three cameras outside. One at the gate, one by the front door, one outside the garage.
The fact they had a camera is meaningless.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 2:47 pm to Barf
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The fact they had a camera is meaningless.
Yep, but it's a good thing they had them to back up the officer's claim of self defense.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 2:59 pm to Sao
The cop shouldn't have been on their property in the first place. I guess we cant keep a car door open in our drive way in America anymore. Idiots like this excuse for an officer give good cops a bad name. 
Posted on 10/22/15 at 3:06 pm to Shanegolang
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The cop shouldn't have been on their property in the first place.
Why not? He wasn't violating the law by walking up to their door and knocking.
Oh, I see. You're just making stuff up. Nevermind.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 3:10 pm to BiggerBear
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Why not? He wasn't violating the law by walking up to their door and knocking.
Oh, I see. You're just making stuff up. Nevermind.
It's just a terrible situation all the way around really. The cop didn't set out to kill this dog. He honestly thought he needed to investigate an open car door in the driveway. I'm good with that. What I have a problem with is the immediate reaction to shoot dogs that so many cops seem to have. They should be able to deal with that without their gun. Otherwise they need to find another line of work.
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