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re: First non-trial vaccinination in western world: 90 YO maggie keenan from the UK

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Posted by tiger91
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Posted on 12/8/20 at 2:19 pm to
Required or optional?

Residents where i consult it sounds like will have the option — they’ll have to sing the normal vaccination form that they consent to for flu/pneumonia/etc.
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Posted on 12/8/20 at 2:20 pm to
I likely missed it but What was your covid experience like?
Posted by Scruffy
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Posted on 12/8/20 at 2:22 pm to
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Sure, but they have never been used and none have previously been produced and approved for use here.


And? just a quick read up about the mechanism behind mRNA vaccines seems like they would be safer than DNA vaccine

Posted by Scruffy
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Posted on 12/8/20 at 2:22 pm to
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I likely missed it but What was your covid experience like?
Cough for 3-4 days, no fever, and lost ability to smell for 1 month.
Posted by Privateer 2007
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Posted on 12/8/20 at 2:23 pm to
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zero risk

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long term side effects

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Covid long term effects


Legit question.
We get Coronaviruses all the time. Kids, and homeless people get them constantly. None wreck ppl as far as I know.

Vaccines commonly frick people up long term. A brand new vaccine strategy being employed in this case is even more cause for concern.
Posted by Scruffy
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Posted on 12/8/20 at 2:23 pm to
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Posted by tiger91
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Posted on 12/8/20 at 2:24 pm to
Would you recommend your parents take it if 1 is overweight/http/cad and the other has seriously two working cardiovascular arteries?

I’m guessing they don’t have much to lose — ages Almost 76 and almost 73.
Posted by Philzilla2k
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Posted on 12/8/20 at 2:24 pm to
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90 year old

What’s she got to lose?
Posted by Dizz
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Posted on 12/8/20 at 2:24 pm to
Saw a funny comment that Bill Gates couldn't wait to take control of her 90-year-old body.
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Posted on 12/8/20 at 2:26 pm to
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We get Coronaviruses all the time. Kids, and homeless people get them constantly. None wreck ppl as far as I know.



COVID seems quite different from other coronaviruses, no? If not, why did we struggle with treating it in the beginning?

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Vaccines commonly frick people up long term.


define "common"

because I don't think its as "common" as you think

sure there are statistical outliers, but I don't really pay much attention to vaccine outliers just like I don't concern myself with COVID outliers

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A brand new vaccine strategy being employed in this case is even more cause for concern.


why, exactly?

Posted by beerJeep
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Posted on 12/8/20 at 2:26 pm to
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but a 90 year old woman who would break a hip after a bout of diarrhea has no qualms at all.


To be fair, a 90 year old has a whole frick ton less to lose than a healthy 30 year old.
Posted by Animal
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Posted on 12/8/20 at 2:27 pm to
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many of you should feel bad. scared of a vaccine/shot?



Well if I were 90 I wouldn't give a shite either.
Posted by Scruffy
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Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 12/8/20 at 2:28 pm to
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What do I have to lose by waiting and watching?



Nothing.

But you are in a position of authority, and people will look to you for advice.

With as much fear mongering about the vaccine there is out there, its frustrating to see someone in the medical field play into that affirmation.
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
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Posted on 12/8/20 at 2:32 pm to
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Maggie is 90.

The average life expectancy of a female in the UK is 83.1.

Why exactly is she prioritized?


Every "scary" COVID number has to do with people her age.

Let's hope it works and reduces those numbers so not even the dimmest person can spread fear any longer.
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Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 12/8/20 at 2:37 pm to
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I work in an ER.

I don’t talk about, discuss, or give vaccines.


You know that doesn't matter.

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Should I simply affirm every single medical position without question?


Nope.

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When it comes to medical care, if I have concerns or issues with certain processes where my stance lacks vital information, I don’t give it to families.

I choose to state that I don’t have enough knowledge on the position and it wouldn’t be prudent for me to give my position out as medical fact.


Well...you are here giving out your opinion. And you know how many people read this board and how quickly this shite gets spread.

At what point will we know the "long term affects" of the vaccine? 1 month? 1 year? 5 years? 10 years?

This is my issue with that stance. You can hold that position forever.
Posted by Privateer 2007
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Posted on 12/8/20 at 2:38 pm to
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Covid different from other Coronaviruses


Not for healthy people. This was here for 2-3 months before we really even noticed. Most people hardly even get sick.

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vaccines commonly mess people up


The UK just paid out huge sums for an experimental vaccine, I think SARS that causes permanent neurological issues.

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new strategy, why is that concerning


Because we don't know how it affects ppl typically long term.
We know flu vaccine is safe. Yet, every year we tweak it making a brand new vaccine. I trust it though as the strategy etc is well established.

RNA vaccines should be safe.
I'd recommend to old ppl or high-risk ppl. But, for healthy people it makes no sense.

I believe chicken pox vaccine was used in japan for 7 years before it was here. Chicken pox and Covid both incredibly unlikely to kill kids. Yet, we are gonna rush a vaccine and give to kids? That's just insane.
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