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First it was birds. Now they tell us the Universe isn't real
Posted on 6/10/26 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 6/10/26 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 6/10/26 at 4:57 pm to Jim Rockford
I didn't call this one. All I've ever said is that the moon isn't real.
Posted on 6/10/26 at 5:06 pm to Jim Rockford
It’s the only way they can go because the more you study science, the more it’s obvious the universe was intelligently designed. And they can’t admit that.
Posted on 6/10/26 at 5:08 pm to StrongOffer
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It’s the only way they can go because the more you study science, the more it’s obvious the universe was intelligently designed. And they can’t admit that.
I agree with this statement 100%. Nice analysis StrongOffer.
Posted on 6/10/26 at 5:09 pm to Jim Rockford
Does it mention Uranus?
Posted on 6/10/26 at 5:13 pm to Jim Rockford
We keep stacking math theory without ever first proving the previous layer through observation or experimentation. Conjecture from other conjecture. It all seems pointless.
I'll still ponder that first one for a while. Definitely interesting.
I'll still ponder that first one for a while. Definitely interesting.
Posted on 6/10/26 at 5:23 pm to Jim Rockford
The universe appears to have had a beginning (outside of space-time), operates by mathematically elegant laws, is finely calibrated for life, produces complex ordered structures, and contains information-rich biological systems. The case for intelligent design seems a better explanation than chance, necessity, or brute fact alone.
What always makes an impression on me is regardless of the physicist's theological viewpoint, they are all generally awed by the direction the intuition and math takes them.
What always makes an impression on me is regardless of the physicist's theological viewpoint, they are all generally awed by the direction the intuition and math takes them.
Posted on 6/10/26 at 5:30 pm to RoyalWe
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is finely calibrated for life,
How do you mean?
Posted on 6/10/26 at 5:40 pm to SuperSaint
quote:
Does it mention Uranus?
My book, "Why, Gary, Why?" does?
Posted on 6/10/26 at 5:44 pm to GRTiger
quote:I was referring to Fred Hoyle, a British astrophysicist. He was not a bible-thumper trying to prove Genesis. He was a major scientist and skeptic of the Big Bang. While studying how stars produce carbon, he predicted a specific energy resonance in carbon-12 because otherwise the universe should not contain enough carbon for life. That resonance was later found experimentally and is now called the Hoyle state. It became one of the classic examples people point to when discussing fine-tuning. The nuclear physics of stars seems unusually well-suited to producing carbon, the backbone element for life as we know it.
How do you mean?
EDIT: I should say this is just one example. There are other fine-tuning arguments and examples.
This post was edited on 6/10/26 at 5:45 pm
Posted on 6/10/26 at 5:49 pm to RoyalWe
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is finely calibrated for life
99.9999999999999999999999999999% of the universe is dead inert matter and energy. That or energy which is trying to fricking kill you.
Posted on 6/10/26 at 5:51 pm to RoyalWe
In my novice view, the universe is extremely inhospitable to life. It's why I believe we are so incredibly rare.
I suppose the existence of simple life would be harder to see and easier to exist, which is likely the context Hoyle is speaking in.
I suppose the existence of simple life would be harder to see and easier to exist, which is likely the context Hoyle is speaking in.
Posted on 6/10/26 at 5:51 pm to Jim Rockford
I watched 2 minutes and am clearly not smart enough to continue.
Posted on 6/10/26 at 5:56 pm to GRTiger
The fine-tuning argument does not claim that life is common or that most of the universe is hospitable. By volume, the universe is obviously overwhelmingly hostile to life.
The claim is narrower. The underlying physics appears to permit life to exist at all. Stable atoms, long-lived stars, carbon production, chemistry, planets, and liquid-water environments all depend on certain laws/constants falling within workable ranges.
So the universe can be mostly lifeless while still being “life-permitting” in the fine-tuning sense.
The claim is narrower. The underlying physics appears to permit life to exist at all. Stable atoms, long-lived stars, carbon production, chemistry, planets, and liquid-water environments all depend on certain laws/constants falling within workable ranges.
So the universe can be mostly lifeless while still being “life-permitting” in the fine-tuning sense.
Posted on 6/10/26 at 5:57 pm to RoyalWe
This is something I should probably read more about. Thanks for the follow up. Post more.
Posted on 6/10/26 at 5:59 pm to JodyPlauche
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Does it mention Uranus?
My book, "Why, Gary, Why?" does?
Hiyo!!! Well done JD
Posted on 6/10/26 at 6:01 pm to DomincDecoco
every day that goes by I think about moving to the mountains with my wife and dog and throwing my phone away.
Posted on 6/10/26 at 6:02 pm to GRTiger
quote:I am no expert, but being retired has let me finally dig into some of these things that I've wanted to for quite a while. There's a documentary out called "The Story of Everything" that does a pretty good job of hitting a lot of these 'nature of the universe' questions. Highly recommended.
Thanks for the follow up.
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