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re: First it was birds. Now they tell us the Universe isn't real

Posted on 6/11/26 at 5:00 pm to
Posted by jeffsdad
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Posted on 6/11/26 at 5:00 pm to
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There is no dignity in dying.


Someone hasn't watched "Love Story".
Posted by UFFan
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Posted on 6/12/26 at 8:11 am to
Not true at all. Most of the universe is horrible for life. It’s just that the universe is so massive that there would almost inevitably be life somewhere.
Posted by UFFan
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Posted on 6/12/26 at 1:33 pm to
Are they soon going to tell us that humans aren’t real?
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 6/12/26 at 1:35 pm to
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The universe appears to have had a beginning (outside of space-time), operates by mathematically elegant laws, is finely calibrated for life, produces complex ordered structures, and contains information-rich biological systems. The case for intelligent design seems a better explanation than chance, necessity, or brute fact alone.

What always makes an impression on me is regardless of the physicist's theological viewpoint, they are all generally awed by the direction the intuition and math takes them.

Well put.

Posted by northshorebamaman
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Posted on 6/12/26 at 1:45 pm to
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I don't disagree with that distinction. However, I don't see anyone making that claim.
That distinction is the whole point. If the claim is just ‘the universe is strange and maybe there is some deeper explanation,’ sure, that’s interesting. If the claim is ‘therefore Christianity/Islam/Judaism is probably true,’ that’s a much bigger leap. So just to clarify, when you discuss intelligent design or fine-tuning as an interesting discussion, what explanation are you actually entertaining?
This post was edited on 6/12/26 at 1:47 pm
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 6/12/26 at 1:48 pm to
Thank you for sharing that OP.

Posted by RoyalWe
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Posted on 6/12/26 at 1:58 pm to
I think “the universe is strange” undersells the point.

Fine-tuning isn’t just vague cosmic weirdness. It’s the claim that specific features of the universe’s basic physics appear necessary for atoms, stars, carbon chemistry, planets, and life to exist at all.

That doesn’t prove a specific religion by itself, but it’s more than just philosophical curiosity. It has real implications, and it is at least compatible with an Abrahamic view of creation.
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 6/12/26 at 2:07 pm to
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and it is at least compatible with an Abrahamic view of creation.

Yes.It.Is.



But it's not compatible with the 72 virgins wing of the Abrahamic religions.

Agreed?
Posted by northshorebamaman
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Posted on 6/12/26 at 9:21 pm to
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I think “the universe is strange” undersells the point.

Fine-tuning isn’t just vague cosmic weirdness. It’s the claim that specific features of the universe’s basic physics appear necessary for atoms, stars, carbon chemistry, planets, and life to exist at all.

That doesn’t prove a specific religion by itself, but it’s more than just philosophical curiosity. It has real implications, and it is at least compatible with an Abrahamic view of creation.
That’s fair.

Fine-tuning is compatible with an Abrahamic creation view. It is also compatible with deism, simulation theory, multiverse models, unknown physics, or just the brute fact that a universe capable of observers is the only kind of universe observers can find themselves in.
Posted by SmackoverHawg
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Posted on 6/12/26 at 9:24 pm to
Birds are real Duck is delicious.

If you don't believe me, shoot an egret in front of a game warden and see if birds are real. Or go over your duck limit.
Posted by northshorebamaman
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Posted on 6/12/26 at 9:25 pm to
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Yes.It.Is.



But it's not compatible with the 72 virgins wing of the Abrahamic religions.

Agreed
Why wouldn’t it be compatible with Islam? Islam also claims a creator God who intentionally made the universe. The 72 virgins issue is an afterlife/martyrdom claim, not a claim about cosmological fine-tuning. Fine-tuning doesn’t get you to that, but it also doesn’t get you to the Trinity, resurrection, original sin, or any other specifically Christian doctrine. That’s exactly why ‘compatible with’ is such a weak standard.
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