Started By
Message

re: First Buc-ee's outside Texas getting sued for low gas prices

Posted on 2/5/19 at 11:00 am to
Posted by chryso
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
11850 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 11:00 am to
You geniuses don't understand how this can sometimes work. A new gas station with a lot of capital will come in and sell below cost until they drive the competition out of business. Then when they are the only one left they raise the price to exorbitant levels.

This has happened and this is why there are laws against it.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 11:00 am to
quote:

As long as Buc-ee's isn't selling below cost which I do think is illegal, then I fail to see the issue.



Why would that be illegal?

If a business wants to take that risk, I don't understand the logic for making it illegal. Certainly not "predatory" as they claim.

Businesses routinely give away free stuff or sell stuff below cost to generate foot traffic. Why is it different for fuel? Serious question.

Posted by Buck Magnum
Springdale
Member since Dec 2003
11612 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 11:01 am to
You know Baton Rouge would turn that place ghetto in 3 months or less. It will have year round Christmas lights and sell weaves.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 11:04 am to
quote:

You geniuses don't understand how this can sometimes work. A new gas station with a lot of capital will come in and sell below cost until they drive the competition out of business. Then when they are the only one left they raise the price to exorbitant levels.

This has happened and this is why there are laws against it.


Ah interesting.

I'll have to think about this more, but I feel like the laws should be around monopolies price gouging in a market moreso than two competitors undercutting each other.

Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 11:04 am to
quote:

You know Baton Rouge would turn that place ghetto in 3 months or less. It will have year round Christmas lights and sell weaves.



I get it...let's shite on BR whenever we can, but you act like BR doesn't have similar "premium" retailers in their respective sectors like Costco, Whole Foods, etc.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
25544 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 11:05 am to
quote:

As long as Buc-ee's isn't selling below cost which I do think is illegal, then I fail to see the issue.


That would be the key to the complaint based on this:

Find a Lawyer Ask a Lawyer Research the Law Law Schools Laws & Regs Newsletters Legal Marketing
Justia US Law US Codes and Statutes Code of Alabama 2013 Code of Alabama Title 8 - COMMERCIAL LAW AND CONSUMER PROTECTION. Chapter 22 - MOTOR FUEL MARKETING. Section 8-22-6 - Certain below cost fuel sales prohibited.
View the 2017 Code of Alabama | View Previous Versions of the Code of Alabama
2013 Code of Alabama
Title 8 - COMMERCIAL LAW AND CONSUMER PROTECTION.
Chapter 22 - MOTOR FUEL MARKETING.
Section 8-22-6 - Certain below cost fuel sales prohibited.

Universal Citation: AL Code § 8-22-6 (2013)
Section 8-22-6
Certain below cost fuel sales prohibited.
It shall be unlawful for any person engaged in commerce in this state to sell or offer to sell motor fuel below cost or to sell or offer to sell it at a price lower than the seller charges other persons on the same day and on the same level of distribution, within the same market area, where the effect is to injure competition.
Posted by TOSOV
Member since Jan 2016
8922 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 11:05 am to
quote:

I had to stop filling up at Buckees, I stop there for everything else, but the gas is crappy. I average 1 to 2 miles less per gallon even when using their premium. And if I fill up six or seven consecutive tanks there my truck will idle rough


Yeah growing up my dad would always tell us never put in the wholesale stuff. Exxon/Chevron/Texaco/etc direct only.

I HAD to put in Racetrac once as it was late, and was about to get on the hwy. Just put in $5 worth to get me home, and to the Exxon on the way to work the next morning. The next morning my gas tank showed empty, but wasnt like that the night before when I got home. Went to the exxon, and filled up. Still showed nothing.
Went and got it checked out later that day, and the fuel pump went bed. Not 100% it was the racetrac gas, but i'll be damned if I ever use it again.

Obviously didnt tell my dad cause I know i'd get the "told you so" look. Ha.
Posted by Buck Magnum
Springdale
Member since Dec 2003
11612 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 11:06 am to
I will be happy to cross out Baon Rouge and insert Shreveport. Or Alexandria, or Monroe.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 11:06 am to
quote:

You know Baton Rouge would turn that place ghetto in 3 months or less. It will have year round Christmas lights and sell weaves.



Not if they put one out by CCL or something like that.

Posted by Buck Magnum
Springdale
Member since Dec 2003
11612 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 11:08 am to
Yes that might work.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
25544 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 11:08 am to
quote:

Ah interesting.

I'll have to think about this more, but I feel like the laws should be around monopolies price gouging in a market moreso than two competitors undercutting each other.


Did you read my post at the top of page 2? I explain the public policy for these laws. There is a valid question as to why they don't pertain to all goods but fuel being so closely related to commerce, in general, may be the answer.
Posted by mikelbr
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2008
47462 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 11:10 am to
quote:

Ah interesting.

I'll have to think about this more, but I feel like the laws should be around monopolies price gouging in a market moreso than two competitors undercutting each other.

This topic is covered in every basic econ class when discussing collusion and monopolies and all. It's a reasonably valid exception to "collusion" and shame on you for sleeping through that lecture.
This post was edited on 2/5/19 at 11:11 am
Posted by arcalades
USA
Member since Feb 2014
19276 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 11:11 am to
quote:

Yall in bama need to look into why the price cant hit below this mark. Seems shady. it's been in the 1.90s for a bit in the dfw area.
don't be so ignorant. There are many places in Al with gas under $2.
Posted by LSUtoBOOT
Member since Aug 2012
12368 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 11:12 am to
quote:

Uhhhh oh somebodies upset they can’t rip people off anymore


Saban’s money has to come from somewhere, never mind all those player perks.
Posted by blueridgeTiger
Granbury, TX
Member since Jun 2004
20210 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 11:29 am to
I was vp at an oil refinery for 5 years - we constantly had to worry about charging too little for gasoline. Bama has the worst fuel price fixing laws in the nation.

I'm glad to see Buc-ee's challenge that law. We were too little a player to make any waves.
Posted by keks tadpole
Yellow Leaf Creek
Member since Feb 2017
7573 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 11:36 am to
quote:

This is free market. I don't get why this could be illegal in any way


What should be illegal is how much Buc-ee's charges for beef jerky and T-shirts. With a family of four, you can't get out of that place without dropping a $100.

FWIW: Their sliced brisket sandwich is the best BBQ sandwich I have ever had. No lie. I'd pay more for gas just to have the excuse to pull in and get one.
This post was edited on 2/5/19 at 11:39 am
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 11:38 am to
Why are you buying t-shirts tat Buc-ees?
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
57128 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 11:39 am to
We used to deal with this during the early days of video poker truck stops. Total pain in the arse.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37007 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 11:39 am to
quote:

You geniuses don't understand how this can sometimes work. A new gas station with a lot of capital will come in and sell below cost until they drive the competition out of business. Then when they are the only one left they raise the price to exorbitant levels.


And then, when prices have moved to such high levels, the market will attract new entrants, who will likely buy the old assets/station, open quickly, and drive the prices back down.

Economics 101.

quote:

this is why there are laws against it.


Nah, there are laws against this because AL, like most other states, likely has a very active group of independent fuel station owners, who donate a lot of money to Alabama legislators.

It's a protection racket.
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 11:39 am to
quote:

I was vp at an oil refinery
quote:

We were too little a player to make any waves.

Jesus. How many bbl/day did you process at that refinery? 5?
This post was edited on 2/5/19 at 11:40 am
first pageprev pagePage 3 of 6Next pagelast page

Back to top
logoFollow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News
Follow us on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram to get the latest updates on LSU Football and Recruiting.

FacebookTwitterInstagram