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Posted on 12/15/24 at 1:51 pm to fjlee90
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I’ve never fired anyone, they’ve all fired themselves. I just inform them.
This is the case with me. I've had to "inform" a number of people of termination over the years, all of whom had counseling and warnings on job performance and other issues, none of whom followed the guidance. Some were pretty long term employees who went South. I give chances where chances can be given.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 1:51 pm to braves21
If they’re not good at their jobs or are not a good fit, then they should be fired. Also, sometimes you gotta fire folks due to budget constraints.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 1:52 pm to braves21
Truth. I got shitcanned last week for something routine that's done by everyone hundreds of times.
"Corporate metrics"
Problem is there are so many corporate metrics and they change constantly and seem to contradict each other.
This is why I say, now, no two week warning, no bullshite. You'll never get even a little consideration from some corporate goon
"Corporate metrics"
Problem is there are so many corporate metrics and they change constantly and seem to contradict each other.
This is why I say, now, no two week warning, no bullshite. You'll never get even a little consideration from some corporate goon
Posted on 12/15/24 at 1:57 pm to braves21
All employees are expendable. All are just a number. If they want you gone, you’re gone.
HR exists to protect the company, not the employee.
HR exists to protect the company, not the employee.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 1:57 pm to Honest Tune
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Most companies will fire someone and have an ad for their replacement on Indeed before the work day is done.
Actually, most companies will have already placed that ad and found the replacement before firing said employee.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 2:04 pm to braves21
I think one of the worst things people say is “I agree with the firing but they could have handled it better.” No firing is easy and nobody wants to get fired. There is no great way to do it that isn’t stressful. People are always upset. You just have to do it in what you think is the most painless way possible if you’re able to.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 2:14 pm to Thracken13
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i resigned shortly after - don't promote to management and then set allowances on what can be done.
There are always limits to what managers can do, which is why managers have managers and CEO's typically have a board.
Sounds like you overstepped your authority without checking with your boss first, which put you in a position where subordinates would no longer respect your authority and you became the one that had to go.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 2:16 pm to Auburn80
Worst is when you're fired by a boss that doesn't do shite all day, yet makes 2x what you do, when you do 50x as much work as him and messed up on 1 in 500 things you do. They should be the ones getting canned. Vast majority of actual work done at corporate jobs is done by those who are 22-40.
Management just takes that work and makes decisions, but it's not like the 33 year old who actually did the work and made that excel model couldn't have easily came to the same conclusion since he actually did the model.
Management just takes that work and makes decisions, but it's not like the 33 year old who actually did the work and made that excel model couldn't have easily came to the same conclusion since he actually did the model.
This post was edited on 12/15/24 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 12/15/24 at 2:19 pm to braves21
I have an employee I need to fire. This employee has been with our company for a couple years. The employee has a bad attitude and doesn’t like the direction the company is going. To be fair, it is a different direction than when that employee joined us. I have fired many people, so I don’t have a problem doing it, but I’m questioning whether I should do it now or wait until after the new year. Two considerations being the well being of the employee during the holidays and then selfishly, the image of our company as this person is in a business development role and will be around a fair amount of people during the holidays. What says the OT? The performance justifies termination and we have had multiple conversations about the employee’s performance and the need to improve.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 2:20 pm to fr33manator
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no two week warning
What is this?
Look, firing sucks for everyone involved. I’ve been on both ends and I hated the mfers that did it to me, and I’m sure I’m hated by the ones that I fired. Few people are willing to look 8n the mirror and realize they suck. The quicker you realize everyone is expendable the better. Companies don’t owe you shite, and you’re never “family” even if they preach that you are. You’re not. You’re hired help - at every level. If they like you and you try hard and you’re loyal you get some leeway when shite gets tight., if you’ve got an attitude and frickup often enough you’re an easy target when overhead needs to be reduced. In fact, you’re the ideal target.
Sorry you got let go baw. You shouldn’t have too much trouble finding work rn tho.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 2:20 pm to ETXSully
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What says the OT?
you're way too late, give him the boot
Posted on 12/15/24 at 2:24 pm to braves21
If you’re ice cold and can fire lots of people without losing any sleep, you can make a lot of money. Most CEOs don’t want to do it and will bring in bad guys, grim reapers to do it. Or a company will bring in a reaper CEO temporarily to do what has to be done to try to turn a company around.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 2:26 pm to mytigger
Meaning I wouldn't give a two week notice. Sorry, wrong phrase.
Yeah I was with them 7 years and they have fricked me on money at every turn. But it was 20 hours of overtime every week if I wanted to work it and it was relatively low stress and I knew the territory. I was comfortable enough. But I was outspoken and called them on their constant bullshite.
This time the squeaky wheel didn't get greased. He got replaced
They'll regret it because there's no one to step into my boots and they have no clue the monster that was lurking. They only saw the bullshite that got through. Not what I was holding back
Yeah I was with them 7 years and they have fricked me on money at every turn. But it was 20 hours of overtime every week if I wanted to work it and it was relatively low stress and I knew the territory. I was comfortable enough. But I was outspoken and called them on their constant bullshite.
This time the squeaky wheel didn't get greased. He got replaced
They'll regret it because there's no one to step into my boots and they have no clue the monster that was lurking. They only saw the bullshite that got through. Not what I was holding back
This post was edited on 12/15/24 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 12/15/24 at 2:26 pm to braves21
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Seems one thing in common with the millionaires class is they have no problem firing an employee at the drop of a hat.
Drop of a hat?
You’re avoiding details for some glaringly obvious reason.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 2:28 pm to fr33manator
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But I was outspoken and called them on their constant bullshite.
And the real story comes out
Posted on 12/15/24 at 2:34 pm to ETXSully
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I have an employee I need to fire. This employee has been with our company for a couple years. The employee has a bad attitude and doesn’t like the direction the company is going. To be fair, it is a different direction than when that employee joined us. I have fired many people, so I don’t have a problem doing it, but I’m questioning whether I should do it now or wait until after the new year. Two considerations being the well being of the employee during the holidays and then selfishly, the image of our company as this person is in a business development role and will be around a fair amount of people during the holidays. What says the OT? The performance justifies termination and we have had multiple conversations about the employee’s performance and the need to improve.
If they are actively hurting the company spreading bad morale with co-workers and/or mistrust with clients, you do it now and others will understand. If the need is not pressing and you have already waited this long, wait until after the holidays. I get the impression we are talking about a small to mid sized company and you don't want the holidays filled with gossip about how you fired a guy a week before Christmas.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 2:38 pm to braves21
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Seems one thing in common with the millionaires class is they have no problem firing an employee at the drop of a hat.
I’ve had to let a lot of people go over the years. It was never about the metrics or outcome measures unless it was preceded by time spent discussing it with the employee to get their input why their outcomes were such outliers to the norm. They always had a chance to correct it. I always needed a bigger sample size to pull the trigger and wanted to give the employee an opportunity to either give a valid explanation that exposed my blind spots or gave them an opportunity to improve.
But most firings were actually resignations. They either knew it was coming or knew they fricked up big time.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 2:39 pm to fjlee90
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I’ve never fired anyone, they’ve all fired themselves. I just inform them.
If you fire someone, you have failed as a leader. You either failed at hiring, failed at training, or failed due to wasting time and money.
That idiotic line of thinking lets you off the hook.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 2:43 pm to MillerLiteTime
Two difficult terminations
A two year engineer that had no sense of field work. Cried when action plan ended
A 15 year operator that was physcotic. I was afraid he would go postal
A two year engineer that had no sense of field work. Cried when action plan ended
A 15 year operator that was physcotic. I was afraid he would go postal
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