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re: Fertility rates dip, people are having babies later
Posted on 6/1/23 at 2:08 pm to Earnest_P
Posted on 6/1/23 at 2:08 pm to Earnest_P
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Living in a 2 room shack, or what?
Kids can share bedrooms.
It is a 2BR but they're not exactly big rooms and small closets accompanying them. I bought it as a single guy in 2016 because that was all I needed at the time just for myself. We could technically have them share the other room, it would just be tricky until they could both use a bunk bed or something because until then there would have to be 2 separate beds. His bed and the dresser for his clothes and the desk for all the baby supplies take up most of the room as it is, idk where we'd add a 2nd bed unless we want to have 0 floor space
Each bedroom does have it's own bathroom attached which is a plus, but I feel like if there was just 1 shared bathroom in the hall, they could have made the actual bedrooms and closets much bigger and then it would be more feasible. But it would be very cramped to add another household member here as it is.
Also besides the space, we'd like to move back to Ascension where we're both originally from for the better public schools so that's another reason we're trying to move before our kid has to start school in a few years. If by then the market is still too insane then I guess we could always use my grandparent's address.
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Posted on 6/1/23 at 2:13 pm to StringedInstruments
I think people are starting to see the effects of how we've "advanced." Having the dregs of society banging like rabbits while the educated go to school and postpone having kids until they're in their mid 30s has an effect. You're getting fewer kids from the people you want having kids. Times get worse because the bad is outnumbering the good, people have to work harder for their kids, good people have fewer kids as a result, repeat. It's a downward spiral.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 2:18 pm to Sterling Archer
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Pay $2700 a month just for daycare for two kids in round rock.
frick THAT
Posted on 6/1/23 at 2:18 pm to fightin tigers
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Younger people always try to blame how expensive it is to raise kids, but like someone mentioned. It was always expensive, but people just have no taste for reducing their luxuries.
it’s not just my luxuries but I want my
kid to have the best possible life too. I want him to go to good schools and enjoy nicer things.
This post was edited on 6/1/23 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 6/1/23 at 2:40 pm to lsupride87
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And it wasn’t a sacrifice previous generations had to make, because it was far cheaper relatively speaking
Get out of here with that. Those huge families, and even the family of 4 kids I grew up in, made sacrifices because they had extra kids.
Families have gotten more expensive because in general because we want every luxury.
I'm not saying it is wrong, I'm saying we made them more expensive ourselves then complained about the expense.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 2:48 pm to fightin tigers
quote:I mean why can’t you just admit basic facts
Families have gotten more expensive because in general because we want every luxury.
I'm not saying it is wrong, I'm saying we made them more expensive ourselves then complained about the expense.
Food
Diapers
Medicine
Housing
Child care
Etc
All necessities, not luxuries, are more expensive now relative to income than any other time before. You can bury you head all you want and blame simple selfishness but it is just irrational and not based in logic
I moved my family of 5 to Mandeville for public schools and my daughters share a room, but guess what? That doesn’t make food, childcare, gas and healthcare any cheaper friend
People don’t think of us as those not having as many kids since we have three, but if the prices weren’t so insane we would have loved 5 children.
This post was edited on 6/1/23 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 6/1/23 at 2:51 pm to dsides
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And people are more narcissistic these days so if they are going to cut back it won’t be on themselves. They will just not have kids. Too expensive.
And then blame Boomer's for not having Social Security when they retire.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 3:00 pm to lsupride87
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Food
Diapers
Medicine
Housing
Child care
Etc
Because of these factors you can't afford to have another child?
Again, I think you are kidding yourself. I don't think adding another kid to your household would cause you to eliminate any of those.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 3:05 pm to fightin tigers
quote:Im truly trying to not view you as a complete idiot going forward
Because of these factors you can't afford to have another child?
Are you denying the simple facts of how expensive those things have gotten relative to the rise in income at the same time?
Could we downsize, remain healthy, take no vacations or life experience etc and have more kids? Hell even 8 kids? Of course, but not choosing to do that isn’t “selfish” or narcissistic. It’s wanting to live a happy basic middle class life the same as those before us. The middle class lifestyle in America is eroding because the drain from the lower class and the rise in basic expenses, which lowers the ability for realistic rational people to have as many children
This post was edited on 6/1/23 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 6/1/23 at 3:06 pm to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
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Judging by how lazy young people are these days, I am OK with them not raising kids
Exactly
Posted on 6/1/23 at 3:07 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:the lazy, poor, and entitled aren’t having less kids….
Exactly
Posted on 6/1/23 at 3:08 pm to RLDSC FAN
The people that say “I choose not to have a kid because I don’t want to bring a child into this fricked up world” crack me up. No, you don’t have them because you can’t find anyone that will let you knock them up/knock you up.
If it’s for financial reasons or you just don’t like kids, that’s fine but don’t act like you’re doing something noble
If it’s for financial reasons or you just don’t like kids, that’s fine but don’t act like you’re doing something noble
This post was edited on 6/1/23 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 6/1/23 at 3:12 pm to lsupride87
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the lazy, poor, and entitled aren’t having less kids….
This is what makes these responses even funnier. It's the intelligent, hardworking people that aren't having kids. The leeches are the one still churning them out.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 3:17 pm to lsupride87
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Are you denying the simple facts of how expensive those things have gotten relative to the rise in income at the same time?
Definitely have become more expensive.
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Could we downsize, remain healthy, take no vacations or life experience etc and have more kids? Hell even 8 kids? Of course, but not choosing to do that isn’t “selfish” or narcissistic
I mean, you are choosing your own personal happiness over bringing another life into this world to enjoy living. Not saying it is a bad thing, but saying it is a lack of wanting to sacrifice your quality of life. Again, not a bad thing.
quote:
which lowers the ability for realistic rational people to have as many children
Without sacrificing luxuries, not basic living.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 3:18 pm to fightin tigers
quote:It isn’t only “your” quality of life you are sacrificing, hoss
Not saying it is a bad thing, but saying it is a lack of wanting to sacrifice your quality of life
quote:travel, sports and other extra carricular activities for the kids, are not what I call luxuries friend. I think a child should have more than surviving as part of their life
Without sacrificing luxuries, not basic living.
I don’t think having as many kids as you can while staying off welfare is smart or the measure of an altruistic unselfish person. But you do, so yo each our own. Your basic argument now is if you stop having kids before you run out of luxuries then you are selfish
This post was edited on 6/1/23 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 6/1/23 at 3:24 pm to lsupride87
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concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure.
It is perfectly ok to be selfish. You should be ok with doing so.
I can admit, along with not particularly liking being a parent, I am selfish when it comes to sacrificing my own pleasure vs having another child.
This post was edited on 6/1/23 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 6/1/23 at 3:29 pm to fightin tigers
quote:Big word n the definition you seem to be missing
concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 3:31 pm to lsupride87
Well having another kid isn't something you can do halfway. You made a firm decision.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 3:37 pm to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
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Judging by how lazy young people are these days, I am OK with them not raising kids
Your generation raised them. Maybe you should’ve waited.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 3:46 pm to fightin tigers
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Not saying it is a bad thing, but saying it is a lack of wanting to sacrifice your quality of life.
By doing so you also sacrifice the quality of life you can give your children. We want our children to be able to go on vacations with us, to be able to live comfortably and pay for their ventures into finding out what they like (sports, dance, music, etc, etc). Having more kids may mean you can no longer afford to go on vacations or buy extra music lessons or pay for equipment and fees for their sports hobbies.
My wife talks about how her parents (who had 5 kids including her) had to make her stop her vocal lessons as a kid and had to quit taking her to gymnastics as they popped out her siblings so they could continue to afford living expenses.
I'd rather have 1 or 2 kids and be able to take them on trips and finance their various activities so they can find their passions. You know, a childhood that THEY can enjoy and have fond memories of. Rather than having 5-6 kids and only being able to put food on the table and only live a life of basic necessities. It's not that we only want these things for ourselves.
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