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re: Fertility rates dip, people are having babies later
Posted on 6/1/23 at 6:57 pm to GeauxZone90
Posted on 6/1/23 at 6:57 pm to GeauxZone90
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Fertility has dropped due to the Covid vaccine
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt
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Posted on 6/1/23 at 9:35 pm to GRTiger
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Make social security payouts adjustable based on how many kids you have. The next generation pays for the prior generation's social security, so contributions to the ponzi scheme by way of new tax payers should be rewarded. Zero kids or one kid means you get a reduced amount based on the current formula, for example 70% for no kids and 85% for 1 (the amount could go up for single parents or when one of the parents dies.) 2 kids mean you get the standard amount. 3 kids could be a 25% bonus, 4+ a 50% bonus.
Reminds me of Dave Chapelle’s Reparations sketch. Guys in Harlem would be rich.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 10:35 pm to fightin tigers
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gotten more expensive because in general because we want every luxury
^^this^^
Wasn’t someone on here a while back complaining about having to put together a hoverboard for his kid for Easter?!!!!
Posted on 6/1/23 at 10:39 pm to GeauxZone90
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ertility has dropped due to the Covid vaccine
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This!
Posted on 6/1/23 at 10:48 pm to RLDSC FAN
First response nailed it. We encourage the wrong people to have more children.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 11:52 pm to GetCocky11
The other thing these young people don’t consider is decreasing fertility as you age. Also, the longer you wait the higher risk the pregnancy. It’s more of a risk to both child(higher rates of disabilities, etc.) and mother(health complications).
Posted on 6/2/23 at 12:37 am to Shexter
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Of all live births in the United States during 2018-2020 (average), 23.7% were Hispanic, 52.1% were white, 15.2% were black, 0.8% were American Indian/Alaska Native and 6.8% were Asian/Pacific Islander.[/img]
I think this undercounts the “white” births if they’re using some archaic view of race if the person if from a mixed background. If my great grandfather was African, but all my other relatives were European, are they viewing me as black?
Posted on 6/2/23 at 7:22 am to RLDSC FAN
This is a huge problem that is going to manifest over the next few decades.
As a county, we do a piss poor job of allowing young families to build and thrive.
The cost of college is too high and too many new graduates start out with five figures of debt. Not a great motivator to build a family.
The cost of housing is too high because of decades long policies and it makes it hard for a new family to be able to purchase a home.
Once a couple with jobs (aka not on the government dime) have their child there isn’t any paid parental leave policy and it’s right back to work.
Once they have their first kid and go back to work the cost of daycare is outrageous, as is the cost of diapers, formula, etc.
It’s not that people don’t want to have babies, its that they were told growing up to have kids when they are ready, and it’s taking years before they are ready.
As a county, we do a piss poor job of allowing young families to build and thrive.
The cost of college is too high and too many new graduates start out with five figures of debt. Not a great motivator to build a family.
The cost of housing is too high because of decades long policies and it makes it hard for a new family to be able to purchase a home.
Once a couple with jobs (aka not on the government dime) have their child there isn’t any paid parental leave policy and it’s right back to work.
Once they have their first kid and go back to work the cost of daycare is outrageous, as is the cost of diapers, formula, etc.
It’s not that people don’t want to have babies, its that they were told growing up to have kids when they are ready, and it’s taking years before they are ready.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 7:55 am to RLDSC FAN
Most of the young women I talk to seem to undervalue having children. They tend to only see it as a burden and not the blessing kids are.
They’d rather travel and collect material possessions.
They all seem convinced that they can wait until later.
They’d rather travel and collect material possessions.
They all seem convinced that they can wait until later.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 8:01 am to fightin tigers
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There are still families who have that kind of life today. And make it work.
If youre waiting to afford kids, you'll never have kids.
Throughout history people have made it work. We all have. Some people just dont like the sacrifices.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 8:02 am to Ricardo
What does it profit a man to gain the whole word at the cost of his very soul?
Posted on 6/2/23 at 8:21 am to Teddy Ruxpin
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After a sharp drop in 2020, birth rates rose in 2021
Well yeah. Had to pass the time somehow while stuck at home.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 8:22 am to Ricardo
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Most of the young women I talk to seem to undervalue having children. They tend to only see it as a burden and not the blessing kids are.
they're not willing to take a lifestyle hit.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 8:31 am to Eric Nies Grind Time
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Currently stuck in our starter home due to an insanely low mortgage rate.
Starter homes are the biggest crock of shite.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 8:34 am to RogerTheShrubber
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they're not willing to take a lifestyle hit.
That’s definitely part of it, and certainly part of why people stop at 1 or 2 kids, but being charitable to young women, we have to acknowledge that families in general aren’t as strong as they were, that women are now expected to be self sufficient, that college and a 40+ hour career are the norm now, that no one believes social security will be around when they retire, that very many young people come from “broken homes” themselves, that the sexual revolution has made women less protected than at anytime in history from the worst tendencies of men and confused women about their own tendencies, etc etc
Which all adds up to a very real and justified feeling of insecurity which makes it difficult for them to know what’s best.
So it’s not just selfishness or materialism, and to the extent it is those things, it is difficult to put the blame on any one individual who is just trying to make sense of life in a world that has rejected anything beyond materialism.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 9:11 am to RogerTheShrubber
Man, I’ve really grown to enjoy and look for your responses; but your view of generational economic circumstances is just way off. I’ve posted a lot of the same statistics over and over again, but here’s just one: the AVERAGE student loan debt for a graduate in 1980 was $3,900. In 2007 the AVERAGE was $28,500. Adjust for inflation that is $12,831 and $36,765. These are undergraduate numbers, mind you. So to be clear, the amount of debt incurred by my generation just to get an average education went up 286%. If you worked hard and went to a better school or decided to pursue a graduate degree that number skyrockets.
I love that you used the “if you wait until you can afford to have kids, you’ll never have kids” line. I’ve heard that all of my adult life and it’s complete horseshite. Our circumstances are different. “Hard” is not mutually exclusive. To admit that this generation is facing extremely unfavorable conditions does not detract from your hard work. I’m not trying to take anything away from you, so don’t try to make me feel like shite because I wanted to be responsible and not bury myself under a mountain of debt.
I love that you used the “if you wait until you can afford to have kids, you’ll never have kids” line. I’ve heard that all of my adult life and it’s complete horseshite. Our circumstances are different. “Hard” is not mutually exclusive. To admit that this generation is facing extremely unfavorable conditions does not detract from your hard work. I’m not trying to take anything away from you, so don’t try to make me feel like shite because I wanted to be responsible and not bury myself under a mountain of debt.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 9:15 am to Nelson Biederman IV
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but your view of generational economic circumstances is just way off.
I have kids in their early-mid 30's with families.
They're doing just fine. Wonder what makes them special?
This post was edited on 6/2/23 at 9:16 am
Posted on 6/2/23 at 9:24 am to Ricardo
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They’d rather travel and collect material possessions.
They all seem convinced that they can wait until later.
The far left has successfully convinced Americans that materialism is the only way to happiness.
Their Bible published in the late 1800s spells it out for them.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 9:25 am to RLDSC FAN
It truly is wild. Moving to Houston from Louisiana we almost felt like we were behind the curve in LA having our first child in our mid-late 20s where as a lot of the people we've come across in Houston that are similar to us had their first kid in their mid to late 30s.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 9:27 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:yes, both men & women. There are plenty of men who put acquiring material possessions in front of having children, too.
The far left has successfully convinced Americans that materialism is the only way to happiness.
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