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re: Fed Chair Powell: “economy leaning too hard on the rich”

Posted on 9/21/25 at 9:15 am to
Posted by NotoriousFSU
Atlanta, GA
Member since Oct 2008
12007 posts
Posted on 9/21/25 at 9:15 am to
The major tech/AI billionaires that backed Trump in 2024 have clearly reaped their benefits. Meanwhile, where’s the relief for the lower and middle class? People are still struggling with inflation, rising living costs, student loan debt, and an increasingly unreachable housing market. If our elected officials had spent the past few decades actually prioritizing everyday Americans instead of ignoring them, maybe we’d see a stronger economy fueled by broader participation.
This post was edited on 9/21/25 at 9:17 am
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
73301 posts
Posted on 9/21/25 at 9:20 am to
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AI is already taking lower-level jobs


link?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297396 posts
Posted on 9/21/25 at 9:23 am to
Thats a side effect of raising the floor through Fed/Govt activity.

The economy is split into two sectors. The wage economy and the wealth economy. Its skewed toward the latter, though its the former that drives it.

Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
29525 posts
Posted on 9/21/25 at 9:25 am to
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My nephew graduated from high school in 2024 and is a welder. He makes $23 per hour. He works a lot of overtime and with overtime he will make abot $70k. He said with a couple more years experience he will get paid over $30 per hour.


I got a friend's kid, who is a college student, a job at a retail store: $20 per hour plus commission. She will probably get 45k or so this year alternating part time and full time.

There's money to be made, people are stupid and lazy. Mainly lazy.
Posted by bad93ex
Walnut Cove
Member since Sep 2018
34530 posts
Posted on 9/21/25 at 9:25 am to
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Her post was merely drawing a parallel between hard work earns money one way or another. Mindset is important in the workplace.


What is a H1B visa worker?

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H-1B visa workers are non-U.S. citizens who are hired by U.S. employers to work in specialty occupations that require expertise in fields such as technology, engineering, accounting, and more.


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It wasn’t about whether illegal labor should exist, which is shouldnt and should be eradicated.



H1B isn't illegal labor.

Posted by Volt
Ascension Island, S Atlantic Ocean
Member since Nov 2009
3208 posts
Posted on 9/21/25 at 9:32 am to
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My nephew graduated from high school in 2024 and is a welder. He makes $23 per hour. He works a lot of overtime and with overtime he will make abot $70k. He said with a couple more years experience he will get paid over $30 per hour.


Teenager making $70k is impressive.
How many 20-somethings can say this, let alone a teenager.
Posted by hillrosetiger
BR
Member since Jul 2011
234 posts
Posted on 9/21/25 at 9:40 am to
That site also says that the average physician/surgeon earns $239K per year, which is complete BS. I don’t know how they calculate the averages, but the average Doc makes significantly more that. I would also suspect the average welder makes more than $51K.
Posted by forkedintheroad
Member since Feb 2025
1577 posts
Posted on 9/21/25 at 9:43 am to
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Hard to have a lot of growth when the fed is artificially keeping rates high.


Homes are unaffordable precisely because rates were kept so low for so long.

Rates need to go even higher and stay there for decades.
Posted by T1gerNate
Member since Feb 2020
2390 posts
Posted on 9/21/25 at 9:45 am to
Thing with the trades is you have to have capital to start out if you want to make real money. Lot of people don’t.
Posted by Loup
Ferriday
Member since Apr 2019
15740 posts
Posted on 9/21/25 at 9:46 am to
Is he in the baton rouge area and is he a combo welder?
Posted by NorCali
Member since Feb 2015
1584 posts
Posted on 9/21/25 at 9:48 am to
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Companies care more about the bottom line than they do work product.
Yes, until quality hurts sales. This is why competition is essential. Monopolies/limited source providers don’t have to be overly concerned about quality if consumers have no options.
In the race for efficiency we may have cut ourt redundancy too much.
Look at cell phones. Innovation and quality are huge drivers. If there was only one company would probably be stuck with 3rd gen iPhone and zero chip innovations.
Posted by Artificial Ignorance
Member since Feb 2025
1424 posts
Posted on 9/21/25 at 9:49 am to
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the quality time Ive spent with them


This!

So beware of the overtime requirement to meet lifestyle wants. Trade off of time some of the most expensive parts of raising a family.
Posted by armytiger96
Member since Sep 2007
2086 posts
Posted on 9/21/25 at 9:50 am to
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$51,000 is not good money in today's world.


I'm not sure where BLS get their stats but I find they are no where close to being accurate. It also says median Mechanical Engineer is $100K which is probably closer to starting salary out of college vs what most ME's make.
Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
148446 posts
Posted on 9/21/25 at 9:51 am to
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Trim carpenters make more money than most doctors.
no they don’t
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
57977 posts
Posted on 9/21/25 at 9:58 am to
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Hard to have a lot of growth when the fed is artificially keeping rates high.




Rates are being kept high to fight inflation. We're already at 2.9% after having seen inflation grow since May's 2.4%. This cut is going to raise inflation more than it helps GDP growth, which will end up hurting GDP growth in the longer term.

Understand this: we aren't getting out of this high-inflation scenario without a recession. Jerry's talk of a "soft landing" has always been as much of a pipe dream as his talk of post-COVID inflation being "transitory". You can't frick over your supply chain and your money supply (M2) like we saw during COVID without serious problems. By "serious problems" I mean a recession. This becomes even more problematic when you factor in that consumers have continued to run up nearly a trillion in new debt each year in order to avoid having to change their lifestyles.

Cutting rates by .5 last year, brought inflation back up to 3% within months. We're already at 2.9% inflation so it's not out of the realm to estimate that we'll be over 3% by the end of the year. That sort of inflation hampers growth in the longer term.

Rates are raised or lowered based on inflation and unemployment, with debt servicing being a distant 3rd. We're in an inflationary growth period, a slowly increasing unemployment environment and a somewhat steady GDP environment.

Cutting rates pushes more money into the economy (remember, inflation is the result of too much money chasing too few goods). While that may spur some growth, it's not going to be enough to outweigh the (3% or more) growth in inflation nor stem the tide of unemployment's slow march upward.

Stagflation is a scenario where inflation is rising, unemployment is high and GDP growth is stagnant. Cutting rates in our current environment is more likely to fuel our trek towards stagflation than anything else. Stagflation in our current environment will absolutely lead to a recession.

Meanwhile, if rates had been held last year we likely would either already be in a recession or coming out of it. In other words, cutting rates is just dragging out the pain to add a stagflation period to the eventual recession.
This post was edited on 9/21/25 at 11:50 am
Posted by Tdogg78
Member since Aug 2018
217 posts
Posted on 9/21/25 at 9:59 am to
Company I previously worked for would hire mechanical engineers for 65k out of college. Took many many years for them to break 100K.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297396 posts
Posted on 9/21/25 at 10:02 am to
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I'm not sure where BLS get their stats but I find they are no where close to being accurate.


Correct. Theyre usually low.
Posted by hillrosetiger
BR
Member since Jul 2011
234 posts
Posted on 9/21/25 at 10:06 am to
Not even close
Posted by Artificial Ignorance
Member since Feb 2025
1424 posts
Posted on 9/21/25 at 10:09 am to
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I pulled my son out his MBA program and told him I’m only paying for welding school going forward


He is future self may have just flipped:

FROM: owning equity / leadership of company or companies whereby welding is core to its value chain (earning potential from many welders’ efforts)

TO: a welder’s life and salary ceiling

You know your son better than anyone on a family decision such as this. His interests/skills/talents matter most.

I have a son in college now. My advice to him is ownership / equity ceiling is MUCH higher than employment ceilings.

College in large part is about getting larger perspective. In context of MBA or not, it is to learn how to create enterprises that create value across (employee talent, entities, markets, sales channels, etc). Education is about unlocking one’s potential. You only get one life. Go big!
This post was edited on 9/21/25 at 10:12 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297396 posts
Posted on 9/21/25 at 10:13 am to
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TO: a welder’s life and salary ceiling



Welders who work at Alyeska pipeline make 200k a year. Friend of mine just divorced one, the money he makes doing that is kinda shocking for a permanent site welding position. She got enough of his cash in the divorce to buy a house in Spokane, no note.

This post was edited on 9/21/25 at 10:15 am
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