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re: FDA finally names dog food brands linked to deadly heart disease in dogs
Posted on 7/1/19 at 3:21 pm to skeeter531
Posted on 7/1/19 at 3:21 pm to skeeter531
We use a mixture of ProPlan and BlueBuffalo depending on age for our Brittany Spaniels.
My question, before I read the whole article is that they just list brands in that graphic. We do not use the grain free Blue Buffalo and the Brits seem to love it. We have tried grain free and they would not touch the stuff.
Do they list the specific lines within reach brand to not feed?
My question, before I read the whole article is that they just list brands in that graphic. We do not use the grain free Blue Buffalo and the Brits seem to love it. We have tried grain free and they would not touch the stuff.
Do they list the specific lines within reach brand to not feed?
This post was edited on 7/1/19 at 3:22 pm
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Posted on 7/1/19 at 3:59 pm to TheCaterpillar
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But just for some light reading, here is the 1-star review of your basic Purina by this independent dog food quality testing site:
'independent' come on caterpillar you're better than this.
also note there are ZERO recalls of purina dog chow.
Posted on 7/1/19 at 4:09 pm to CAD703X
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also note there are ZERO recalls of purina dog chow.
Purina has had MANY recalls over the years.
Note that none of the foods in this article are being recalled. Scientists don't know what is causing the increase in DCM, but one thing the dogs have in common was eating grain free varieties of dog food.
Posted on 7/1/19 at 4:25 pm to AubieALUMdvm
Most people I know that feed their dog Ol Roy and such aren't going to spend the money on a vet to diagnose their dog with "dilated cardiomyopathy" and the FDA does not take that into consideration.
Posted on 7/1/19 at 4:33 pm to AubieALUMdvm
My dogs have been on Blue Buffalo for 8.5 years, but not a grain free version. That sounds like some s**t a sickly dog would eat.
Posted on 7/1/19 at 4:35 pm to Buck_Rogers
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Most people I know that feed their dog Ol Roy and such aren't going to spend the money on a vet to diagnose their dog with "dilated cardiomyopathy" and the FDA does not take that into consideration.
Actually a pretty damn good point.
Posted on 7/1/19 at 4:40 pm to zakeeus
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That sounds like some s**t a sickly dog would eat.
I think a lot of owners were wooed by the idea of a no grain formula since dogs aren't exactly grazing animals. When the super premium brands started pushing the idea year ago my vet warned me off them. I don't remember the reason but it wasn't heart issues, she told me my long-standing tradition of Iams was fine so that is what I still feed.
Posted on 7/1/19 at 4:42 pm to skeeter531
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Purina has had MANY recalls over the years.
i'm speaking specifically about purina dog chow, not the other fru-fru stuff the company makes.
those recalls are for other things purina makes.
Posted on 7/1/19 at 5:04 pm to Shepherd88
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Let me fill you in on something.
Veterinarians take 1 course in school regarding nutrition and it’s put on by Hills, Purina, or Iam’s.
Not sure I understand what your point is here regarding 1 course. A course lasts a semester - are you suggesting general practice vets should have more training in nutrition than other coures which are also typically 1 or 2 semesters? Neurology. Dermatology. Pathology. Clinical pathology. They're usually 1 semester.
Which vet school that you attended was the entire semester taught by a food company? I recall Hill's coming in for a single day in the semester to talk about some of their Rx diets. If you feel your vet is morally compromised enough to allow this to change their decision making process you should seek new healthcare for your pet.
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Also some of their equipment is paid for by these same companies in exchange for them putting bags of their dog/cat food in the front of their store.
I've literally never heard of this happening.
Aside, this thread isn't about any of those brands so not sure what your getting at here. I follow the advice of veterinary nutrition specialists (and in this case, the cardiologists) in matters like this. Do you feel they also should not be trusted?
Posted on 7/1/19 at 5:52 pm to TheOcean
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What's an affordable dog food brand you recommend?
If anyone is the type of person that insists on buying premium grain free dog food and looking for an alternative to the ones listed I’d recommend Pure Balance. Been feeding it to Brees for months now and he still loves it enough to eat most of it the second we put it down. Never used to eat other dog foods immediately like that until we tried this one
Posted on 7/1/19 at 6:07 pm to Buck_Rogers
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Most people I know that feed their dog Ol Roy and such aren't going to spend the money on a vet to diagnose their dog with "dilated cardiomyopathy" and the FDA does not take that into consideration.
I'm not certain, but I do not expect O'l Roy to be "grain free". So I guess they are safe,,,, from this diagnosis.
Posted on 7/1/19 at 6:11 pm to Obtuse1
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When the super premium brands started pushing the idea year ago my vet warned me off them. I don't remember the reason but it wasn't heart issues, she told me my long-standing tradition of Iams was fine so that is what I still feed.
My vet told me that my lazy assed, city dwelling, sleep all day while I'm at work dog does not have a need for a high protein diet. I thanked him and saved a ton of money.
Posted on 7/1/19 at 6:12 pm to AubieALUMdvm
Honestly, I think we’ve found that the best recipe for dog food is homemade, and for a bunch of different reasons, but you can see the difference in what it did for my dog when we tried everything to get rid of the fungus growing on her paw, skin, and ears, and as soon as the switch was made from the very expensive dog food to simple canned fish and cooked rice, poof, the problem went away. Tons of money was poured into different shampoos, special baths, many different dog foods, and medicines, and it was just the store bought dog food all along, no matter what we tried. It’s the only thing that finally remedied the problem.
This post was edited on 7/1/19 at 6:14 pm
Posted on 7/1/19 at 6:21 pm to AubieALUMdvm
I haven’t read the thread yet, just responding. We pay $170 a month for all organic raw food for my 8 year old lab/pit. The company is called Answers and they are out of Washington. He was diagnosed with kidney disease last year and we were advised to switch him to Dr Hills kidney prescription food. We fed it to him for a couple months and as we watched him rapidly deteriorate we decided to go with cooked...and ultimately a raw diet.
We weigh it out once a week and it takes less than 10 min. He gets 8 oz, twice a day. He’s 74lbs and 100% blind (accident when young). He acts like a puppy again
Now we are getting to the dementia phase of his life... but he sure is a good boy.
We weigh it out once a week and it takes less than 10 min. He gets 8 oz, twice a day. He’s 74lbs and 100% blind (accident when young). He acts like a puppy again
Now we are getting to the dementia phase of his life... but he sure is a good boy.
Posted on 7/1/19 at 7:17 pm to emboslice
Good for you, putting in the work to find the answers for your buddy, emboslice. Looks like a happy dog.
Posted on 7/1/19 at 7:30 pm to AubieALUMdvm
I bet a machine learning program could solve this pretty quick.
Posted on 7/1/19 at 7:42 pm to skeeter531
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He's beautiful emboslice!
Thanks! And I forgot to say... when we brought him back to the vet, she was shocked his kidney numbers had gotten significantly better. She said “whatever it is y’all are doing, keep doing it” - as of last week they are still stable. Grateful I’m able to afford it
Posted on 7/1/19 at 7:47 pm to High C
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, all this “healthy” food is actually killing them? Interesting
Or research is being funded by purina.
See the nast wave of reports released on keto diets by pasta and bread industry for example
Posted on 7/1/19 at 7:50 pm to Buck_Rogers
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Most people I know that feed their dog Ol Roy and such aren't going to spend the money on a vet to diagnose their dog with "dilated cardiomyopathy" and the FDA does not take that into consideration.
This. OP honestly that’s pretty shameful for you to post that BS study and graph. It’s absolutely laughable to post a simple
Numbers graph. It should be either a percentage or a statistic of how much food was sold to be anywhere near worthwhile.
As said above, how many dogs die from DCM period and what percentage of that is non grain free? When no article about the deaths from grain free discusses the percentage of deaths from grain free over non grain free it’s likely completely bullshite and a statistically worthless study under current research.
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