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re: FDA finally names dog food brands linked to deadly heart disease in dogs

Posted on 7/1/19 at 12:40 pm to
Posted by AubieALUMdvm
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 7/1/19 at 12:40 pm to
Please do not post links to dogfoodadvisor. He is a dentist and has no qualifications for rating food going into animals.

He rates Zignature kangaroo as "A" yet I know this to be widely circulated among veterinary cardiologists as a prime suspect in this ongoing DCM problem.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 12:42 pm to
It’s not about the ratings as much as knowing what all the ingredients are
Posted by AubieALUMdvm
Member since Oct 2011
11713 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 12:47 pm to
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It’s not about the ratings as much as knowing what all the ingredients are



This thinking in a vacuum is exactly what has gotten us into the problem the thread is about. People became obsessed with reading ingredient lists and avoiding the big bad grains. These new boutique pet food companies happily obliged, made a bunch of expensive diets with zero research going into the ingredients, and now we have real problems.

Dogfoodadvisor just looked at the ingreidents and made decisions on what he thought was good or bad. He is not qualified to make those decisions.
Posted by LouisianaLady
Member since Mar 2009
83035 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 12:51 pm to
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God fricking dammit. I’ve switched dog food like 4 fricking times already.



I know I'm confused now. I buy Pure Balance, which is a grain free food put out by WalMart/Sams. Same ingredients as the expensive stuff, but a bit cheaper priced.

My plan was to switch to Kirkland's grain free next time I buy food, but now this thread has me spooked. Do we know which foods are good?
This post was edited on 7/1/19 at 12:51 pm
Posted by griddle
Member since Jan 2017
159 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 12:51 pm to
In your opinion, is Taste of the Wild okay?

Do you recommend another complete poultry free food?

My shepherd breaks out into hives on his belly, his face swells, and the inside of his ears get extremely red. It's a serious chicken allergy.
Posted by AubieALUMdvm
Member since Oct 2011
11713 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 12:57 pm to
If it were my dog I'd avoid it until this thing shakes out. Fact is nobody knows exactly what's going on here. I might know and understand this a bit more than most on this site but I'm still in the dark.

The brand a lot of folks use here seems to be good - Victor. I've mentioned purina pro plan.

For dogs with known food allergies there are veterinary Rx diets free of chicken made by several companies: Hills, Purina, Royal Canin.
Posted by Trauma14
Member since Aug 2010
6556 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 12:59 pm to
My lab is 10 years old and has been eating Blue Buffalo her entire life. Our vet just mentioned this to us last month. This shite is very disappointing.
Posted by Trauma14
Member since Aug 2010
6556 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 1:01 pm to
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I remember a few years ago getting blasted on here for feeding my dogs Dog Chow and Ole Roy instead of Blue Buffalo. Who’s laughing now?



That was probably me.
Posted by helluvaday
Member since Jun 2018
443 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 1:01 pm to
Same.

I spoke to the vet and switched to Hills Science.
Posted by DeafJam73
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19122 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 1:07 pm to
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I know I'm confused now. I buy Pure Balance, which is a grain free food put out by WalMart/Sams. Same ingredients as the expensive stuff, but a bit cheaper priced.

My plan was to switch to Kirkland's grain free next time I buy food, but now this thread has me spooked. Do we know which foods are good?


I don’t even remember what we’re on now. I have it on subscription so it just gets shipped every month.
Posted by griddle
Member since Jan 2017
159 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 1:13 pm to
We tried Purina, Royal Canin, American Journey, and Natural Balance, he didn't like any of them except the Royal Canin duck and sweet potato which is $100 a bag. He goes through a 28lb bag in 3 weeks. Not paying that much for food.

A lot of "single source" foods contain some sort of chicken product which has made finding him food very hard.

There are only a couple of Pro Plan foods that are completely chicken free. Thoughts on this one?

Chewy - Pro Plan Fish
Posted by Hog Zealot
On the Flats
Member since Mar 2012
1785 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 1:18 pm to
Did you know that Hills Science diet is crap for food too?

Your vet gets paid by the company to sell that shite. Will even send their child to vet school for free if they sell enough bags. Killed my best buddy Bichon.

We only use Purina Pro Plan now.
Posted by AubieALUMdvm
Member since Oct 2011
11713 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 1:28 pm to
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Your vet gets paid by the company to sell that shite. Will even send their child to vet school for free if they sell enough bags. Killed my best buddy Bichon.


You’re free to make all the claims you want about the food quality but this is such an outrageous fabrication I’m not even sure where to start.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
73695 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 1:30 pm to
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Please do not post links to dogfoodadvisor. He is a dentist and has no qualifications for rating food going into animals. He rates Zignature kangaroo as "A" yet I know this to be widely circulated among veterinary cardiologists as a prime suspect in this ongoing DCM problem.


People are gullible. And they seem to be more gullible today than at any other time in history. It's like they've grown so accustomed to letting Google make all their decisions they've lost the ability to use common sense. This dog food debate is a classic example.

On the one hand you have dog foods like Dog Chow, Alpo, etc. that have been on the market for decades with who knows how many millions of dogs going their entire life eating it and living perfectly healthy and active lives. Common sense would tell you these dog foods are perfectly fine to feed your dog. But instead of buying a 50lb bag of Dog Chow, they go to Google and let it decide what food to give their dog. They find some website like dogfoodadvaisor.com that recommends all these fancy high dollar brands. And since the website said it, in their mind then it's got to be true. So instead of buying dog food that's proven for decades to be perfectly fine to feed their dog, instead they buy some virtue signaling hipster crap that as it turns out could be killing their dog.
This post was edited on 7/1/19 at 1:32 pm
Posted by Duckhammer_77
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Member since Nov 2016
3049 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 1:34 pm to
Ol' Roy not on the list...I'm good to go.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 1:39 pm to
quote:

People are gullible. And they seem to be more gullible today than at any other time in history. It's like they've grown so accustomed to letting Google make all their decisions they've lost the ability to use common sense. This dog food debate is a classic example.

On the one hand you have dog foods like Dog Chow, Alpo, etc. that have been on the market for decades with who knows how many millions of dogs going their entire life eating it and living perfectly healthy and active lives. Common sense would tell you these dog foods are perfectly fine to feed your dog. But instead of buying a 50lb bag of Dog Chow, they go to Google and let it decide what food to give their dog. They find some website like dogfoodadvaisor.com that recommends all these fancy high dollar brands. And since the website said it, in their mind then it's got to be true. So instead of buying dog food that's proven for decades to be perfectly fine to feed their dog, instead they buy some virtue signaling hipster crap that as it turns out could be killing their dog.



I don't think that means what you think it means. Who would I be virtue signaling? I'm not on twitter sticking up for poor dogs that still eat Alpo hoping to gain their approval.

And as science progresses we find that all sorts of things we thought were healthy for humans actually weren't. Same with dogs.

This is just another progression in the science and research of dog food. Doesn't change that fact that no good vet will recommend shitty corn based regular Purina chow for your dog that has barely anything nutritional in it.

Sure, dogs have lived on it for decades. But what if they could've lived even longer? Had more energy, especially later in their lives? Better coat and teeth?

My "high dollar stuff" isn't that expensive. We're talking $50 for a 40 lb bag that lasts him a long time. Small price to pay for my best friend feeling better and living a little longer.

Posted by 91TIGER
Lafayette
Member since Aug 2006
19474 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 1:40 pm to
Guess our pooch can keep eating Ol' Roy !
Posted by jchamil
Member since Nov 2009
19509 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 1:43 pm to
I didn't see anything about the Kirkland brand at Costco. I'm guessing it is still cool?
Posted by Saskwatch
Member since Feb 2016
18211 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 1:46 pm to
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I didn't see anything about the Kirkland brand at Costco. I'm guessing it is still cool?


That's what we feed our golden. Seems healthy enough to me. Hopefully AuburnAlumDVM chimes in on Kirkland/Nature's Domain
This post was edited on 7/1/19 at 1:47 pm
Posted by tigerbutt
Deep South
Member since Jun 2006
26335 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 1:48 pm to
I’m feeding my dog Pure balance which is grain free. He is 13 years old and developed heart disease 6 months ago. Making me think.
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