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re: Fat Asian man out-squats and trolls a squatter
Posted on 9/13/24 at 12:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 9/13/24 at 12:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
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You are trying to make the system infinitely worse.
Dumb
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I never defended the actual issues with the system
You are defending a system that allows a person to inhabit a dwelling that they don’t own, have no evidence to support a rental agreement, and no evidence of payment while the civil process occurs.
It’s ridiculous.
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Posted on 9/13/24 at 12:52 pm to moneyg
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The same basic investigative technique solves this.
Can you show you own the property? Can the accuser? Can you show a rental agreement? Can you show any payment?
So your answer to my question is "yes"
?
Posted on 9/13/24 at 12:53 pm to moneyg
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Dumb
The last thing you want to do is give LEO more discretion on the fly
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You are defending a system that allows a person to inhabit a dwelling that they don’t own,
No, I said that I am against delayed eviction processes.
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have no evidence to support a rental agreement, and no evidence of payment while the civil process occurs.
This is what you show at the (hopefully expedited) eviction trial.
Posted on 9/13/24 at 12:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
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So your answer to my question is "yes"
What question?
Posted on 9/13/24 at 1:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The last thing you want to do is give LEO more discretion on the fly
They make these judgement calls all day long...Who to arrest, who to cite..:who to remove from a scene.
When you have a complaint and one side can show ownership and the other side can’t show anything that points to a rental agreement…
Posted on 9/13/24 at 1:02 pm to moneyg
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What question?
Posted on 9/13/24 at 1:04 pm to moneyg
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They make these judgement calls all day long..
Yeah and they're not good at it when it's not black/white.
That is why they're not allowed to make this call.
quote:How does the cop determine the authenticity/legality of a document on the fly?
When you have a complaint and one side can show ownership and the other side can’t show anything that points to a rental agreement
Even at trial, this requires certain procedures and it's not always clear. You think a street cop on a random stop will be able to do it? A detective wouldn't have an easy call.
Again, this is why they're not allowed to make this call. Pretty much anywhere in the US.
Posted on 9/13/24 at 1:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
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What question?
I want law enforcement investigating a complaint like they do all complaints.
So, I guess yes. If someone accuses me me a crime, I don’t think I should be able to hide within my home.
Posted on 9/13/24 at 1:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Yeah and they're not good at it when it's not black/white.
Squatter scenarios are always black and white.
Describe a squatter scenario that isn’t black and white.
Posted on 9/13/24 at 1:12 pm to moneyg
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Squatter scenarios are always black and white.
Squatter shows a written "rental agreement" (which is what they do).
It's not black and white anymore.
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Describe a squatter scenario that isn’t black and white.
See above.
Posted on 9/13/24 at 1:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Squatter shows a written "rental agreement" (which is what they do).
Signed by the owner? Forged?
Cause that would be fraud. And obviously the law could pretty easily determine and charge someone for fraud with major negative consequences.
But again, in that situation, the officer uses his judgement to determine what happens while the civil process is ongoing.
They will get it right most of the time. And there can be civil process can remedy mistakes just as easy in one direction as it can in the other.
Posted on 9/13/24 at 1:33 pm to moneyg
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Signed by the owner? Forged?
Yes forged.
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Cause that would be fraud.
Sure
Go back to my first response to you ITT
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People who have no problem lying and committing fraud can manipulate any system, also.
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But again, in that situation, the officer uses his judgement to determine what happens while the civil process is ongoing
How?
A cop can't determine this on his own
Posted on 9/13/24 at 1:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
Doing this would make me nervous bc people like Mary are unstable.
Who knows what she could do?
Who knows what she could do?
Posted on 9/13/24 at 1:49 pm to dnm3305
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Isn’t squatting breaking and entering, burglary, and theft?
I never implied it wasn't? Both can be true, no?
Posted on 9/13/24 at 2:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
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How?
A cop can't determine this on his own
Homeowner: "Here is the deed. Here's my name on the assessor's site. That's not my signature. I will attest to that in this complaint."
Officer to squatter: "Can you show proof of payment connected to this rental agreement?"
Squatter: "No."
Officer: "You are required to leave. You can take this issue up in civil court if you believe the homeowner is in violation of an agreement you have. Keep in mind, if you return to this property again, you will be arrested for trespassing."
Posted on 9/13/24 at 3:01 pm to Tr33fiddy
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Reading the title i thought some fat asian was gonna out lift some jacked dude at the gym. I am disappoint
I was sure some Japanese sumo guy was going to be throwing up plates on a roided-up meathead.
Posted on 9/13/24 at 3:04 pm to SUB
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I never implied it wasn't? Both can be true, no?
Sure, they both technically are.
Posted on 9/13/24 at 3:07 pm to moneyg
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Homeowner: "Here is the deed. Here's my name on the assessor's site. That's not my signature. I will attest to that in this complaint."
Officer to squatter: "Can you show proof of payment connected to this rental agreement?"
Squatter: "No."
Officer: "You are required to leave. You can take this issue up in civil court if you believe the homeowner is in violation of an agreement you have. Keep in mind, if you return to this property again, you will be arrested for trespassing."
Well that's not very business friendly to a lawyer and they may be out of a job if we would take a common sense approach to this problem.
This post was edited on 9/13/24 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 9/13/24 at 3:16 pm to moneyg
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Homeowner: "Here is the deed. Here's my name on the assessor's site. That's not my signature. I will attest to that in this complaint."
Officer to squatter: "Can you show proof of payment connected to this rental agreement?"
Squatter: "No."
Officer: "You are required to leave.
This determination isn't that simple with a trial and a judge
But yes, the 90 IQ beat cops can make this decision on the fly without any understanding of basic rules of evidence
Posted on 9/13/24 at 3:18 pm to moneyg
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Homeowner: "Here is the deed. Here's my name on the assessor's site. That's not my signature. I will attest to that in this complaint."
Officer to squatter: "Can you show proof of payment connected to this rental agreement?"
Squatter: "No."
Officer: "You are required to leave. You can take this issue up in civil court if you believe the homeowner is in violation of an agreement you have. Keep in mind, if you return to this property again, you will be arrested for trespassing."
That’s not the way this works at all.
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