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re: Famed atheist and biologist calls the idea of more than two genders “utter nonsense”
Posted on 3/22/23 at 8:33 am to GRTiger
Posted on 3/22/23 at 8:33 am to GRTiger
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If gender is based on personal feelings, why should it matter to anyone else?
In my opinion it does not and should not. It is a personal issue that most people never even think about, we just accept the cultural and social identity assigned to us and go on. Some people do not.
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If gender is made up and can be whatever you want and can change on a whim, how exactly are discrimination laws enforced? Why can't I choose not to hire someone because they felt like a two spirit wolfkin on the day of the interview and it weirded me out?
Protections as described above are an over correction, in my opinion, resulting in years and years of systemic and state sponsored discrimination based on the feels. Unfortunately the sins of the father are all too often visited upon the son.
You question does raise an interesting question. Why would you base a hiring decision on the "feels"? Is that a sound decision? If the two spirit wolfkin is the best candidate but is not hired based on your feels maybe it isn't a case of the fathers sins impacting the son but one of the son's impacting the son.
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Posted on 3/22/23 at 8:34 am to High C
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Famed atheist and biologist calls the idea of more than two genders “utter nonsense”
He doesn't say that, he says two sexes
This board has a real issue parsing the arguments they are perpetually triggered by...
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Upon Morgan asking Dawkins how to combat the "nonsense," Dawkins replied, "Science."
He then said, "There are two sexes. You can talk about gender if you wish, and that’s subjective."
Dawkins's argument is sex is immutable and binary, but gender identity can and is subjective. The disagreement is with those in the scientific community that claim, with evidence, that the biology of sex is more complicated than simple binary chromosomal arrangements.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 8:35 am to High C
Nothing changes until there is a hard, hard, hard pushback against the cultural Marxism that is plaguing our society today.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 8:36 am to Bronc
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The disagreement is with those in the scientific community that claim, with evidence, that the biology of sex is more complicated than simple binary chromosomal arrangements.
Thus, the science is settled, and anyone who disagrees is a Nazi that should be canceled.
Sincerely,
Progressives
Posted on 3/22/23 at 8:39 am to facher08
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There are absolutely concerted efforts to push a specific agenda, one that has become chic and trendy in modern western culture, and that is part of the reason why you see such a spike in the younger generations identifying this way and doing so in groups.
This is absolutely happening and anyone who is incapable of seeing this is too stupid to walk and chew gum at the same time.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 8:42 am to facher08
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You're anecdote has become fairly common, especially in teenaged girls. For that reason, I believe it isn't as simple as young people naturally exploring their sexuality as you think it is. There are absolutely concerted efforts to push a specific agenda, one that has become chic and trendy in modern western culture, and that is part of the reason why you see such a spike in the younger generations identifying this way and doing so in groups.
Whether the movement is attempting conversion or not, I'd argue the spikes in gen z identification are not an indication of actual growth in the LGBT population. It would be a statistical anomaly.
Maybe, or, when people no longer feel they are going to be vilified and burnt at the stake for coming out as left-handed, all of the sudden you see a rise in people identifying as left-handed, from 2% in 1860 to 10% after efforts stopped trying to force people to write and interact as right-hand dominate and no longer make people feel vilified to hide something out of their control. LINK
Posted on 3/22/23 at 8:43 am to VADawg
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This is absolutely happening and anyone who is incapable of seeing this is too stupid to walk and chew gum at the same time.
No, you have this all wrong, you nazi shitlord. This is SCIENCE!!
Posted on 3/22/23 at 8:45 am to AwgustaDawg
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People getting cancelled does not happen.
Are you making the "cancel culture doesn't exist" argument because it absolutely does. I do feel it has wained in recent years as more people stand up to the threats instead of cowering, but the threats are still made.
Canceling doesn't mean erasing a person's social life or means of income completely. It could also mean causing the accused to miss out on business opportunities or diminished social standing due to accusations. The latter happens a lot more than the former.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 8:46 am to AwgustaDawg
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Why would you base a hiring decision on the "feels"?
Because I've hired people before and understand the concept of team member compatibility. That decision is the last easy one a potential employee will let you make. Shitty employees are like squatters. Nobody puts "I'm going to suck at this job and be a real problem for you" on their resume. Hiring based on feeling is why you have interviews.
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If the two spirit wolfkin is the best candidate but is not hired based on your feels maybe it isn't a case of the fathers sins impacting the son but one of the son's impacting the son.
The two spirit wolfkin would never be the best candidate, because they would be a distraction and would risk client relationships with people who prefer not to receive professional services from someone who thinks he's a wolf. I also believe gender dysphoria to that extreme is a symptom of much larger psychological issues.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 8:52 am to Bronc
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Maybe, or, when people no longer feel they are going to be vilified and burnt at the stake for coming out as left-handed, all of the sudden you see a rise in people identifying as left-handed, from 2% in 1860 to 10% after efforts stopped trying to force people to write and interact as right-hand dominate and no longer make people feel vilified to hide something out of their control.
But there wasn't a large part of that 10% of left-handed people that after a couple years, realized they were right-handed all along , but wanted to be left handed all of a sudden because it was popular.
It isn't merely the acceptance, but other factors influencing that acceptance.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 8:52 am to VADawg
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This is absolutely happening and anyone who is incapable of seeing this is too stupid to walk and chew gum at the same time.
Anyone who would deny that it is more acceptable today to come out of the closet or identify as a gender other than that assigned at birth is either ignorant or stupid. Anyone who doubts this being more acceptable has created a trend of younger people especially doing just those things is equally ignorant or stupid.
The question is if there is any harm in this new era of acceptance? Given that the conditions exist and have since time out of mind how can them being more open be dangerous? Man is a logical, thinking critter. It is our chief survival instinct. Knowledge is critical in that process. Openly discussing and sharing knowledge is not dangerous...making it taboo to do so has caused many an illness in the history of mankind. It is hard to tie a trend created by knowledge as dangerous to society.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 8:56 am to AwgustaDawg
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Biological sex and gender are not and have never actually been linked in human existence.
And this is where it all goes off the rails.
There are characteristics and biological differences that define and describe the 2 sexes. And that has been understood and categorized using the 2 genders.
There are only two sexes so why would we need 30 genders?
And if that’s the case why do we allow a male to identify with a female sex so they can dominate In women’s collegiate sports?
Posted on 3/22/23 at 8:57 am to VADawg
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Nothing changes until there is a hard, hard, hard pushback against the cultural Marxism that is plaguing our society today.
That hard, hard, hard pushback has existed for all but what, 8, 10 years of man kinds existence on the planet? It is still not unheard of for a gay person to be killed simply because they are gay. Many states are actively passing laws that prohibit trans folks from doing what non trans folks are allowed to do without state intervention. The fact is that the more the state pushes back the more people impacted will see to it that the pushback is reversed and laws enacted protecting the individual against the feels of the masses.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 8:57 am to High C
I’m not a famed biologist. I graduated from public school and from LSU, but even I know there are two genders. You don’t need status, tenure, or even a diploma to know that.
And I also know that there are people out there who will offer to sell you a bridge, who will promise you the moon, or do anything to further their agenda.
And I also know that there are people out there who will offer to sell you a bridge, who will promise you the moon, or do anything to further their agenda.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 8:57 am to High C
It's always been evident it is a psychological disorder. Always. You know that because if you post about that on certain social medias you will be banned. I was. That was when I knew THEY ALL knew. Everyone, including the lords of language, certainly knows exactly what this is.
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Posted on 3/22/23 at 9:04 am to facher08
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Are you making the "cancel culture doesn't exist" argument because it absolutely does. I do feel it has wained in recent years as more people stand up to the threats instead of cowering, but the threats are still made.
Canceling doesn't mean erasing a person's social life or means of income completely. It could also mean causing the accused to miss out on business opportunities or diminished social standing due to accusations. The latter happens a lot more than the former.
It does happen as you describe and has happened throughout the existence of all societies. It is the chief manner in which society regulates itself. It is human nature. The reason it is all of a sudden an issue is because it is being visited upon groups who heretofore had the exclusive ability to dictate what was and was not acceptable. This is exactly what groups like white supremacist groups have been warning about for time out of mind...that as power is distributed more broadly amongst the people the group that held all of the power in the beginning will find themselves at the mercy of those they dictated expectations to. It is simply a matter of folks accustomed to saying and doing anything that popped into their heads with little or no consequence now being held accountable for their words and actions. What is good for the goose is good for the gander but the goose seldom sees it that way....
Posted on 3/22/23 at 9:07 am to doubleb
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I’m not a famed biologist. I graduated from public school and from LSU, but even I know there are two genders. You don’t need status, tenure, or even a diploma to know that.
And I also know that there are people out there who will offer to sell you a bridge, who will promise you the moon, or do anything to further their agenda.
There are two Genders. Your public school education was not wrong there. It seems that it may have been limited however because the mininum number of genders that have ever existed in any culture or society known to mankind is 2, the majority have recognized far more than that.
LSU ain't to blame for the fact that some of their graduates do not know what the definition of gender is.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 9:17 am to longtooth
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And this is where it all goes off the rails.
There are characteristics and biological differences that define and describe the 2 sexes. And that has been understood and categorized using the 2 genders.
There are only two sexes so why would we need 30 genders?
And if that’s the case why do we allow a male to identify with a female sex so they can dominate In women’s collegiate sports?
Why do we need 2 genders when we have 2 sexes? Why do we need a cultural and societal role for individuals (gender) when we have a biological fact to identify their sex? Gender is a construct derived from the nature of man to control his surroundings. It is mostly accepted except when it isn't. When it isn't there is nothing inherently dangerous or sinister involved...outside of individuals expressing what is one of the most personal and intimate ideas known to us...their very identity.
The question isn't why we allow men to dominate collegiate sports the question is why do we segregate sports to begin with??? What is the point? Anyone who has ever watched women's collegiate basketball has had to ask that question in some fashion.
As bad as women's basketball is today it is FAR better than it was just a short while ago. It has evolved because we have encouraged that evolvement and the changes have been accepted because they took time and allowed people to grow accustomed to it...they weren't forced down their throats. It would evolve to the point that segregation was no longer acceptable nor necessary if we would allow it...very few men are capable of playing college basketball and even fewer women but is unlikely that were it an actual option there would never be some who could....
Posted on 3/22/23 at 9:18 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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Thus, the science is settled, and anyone who disagrees is a Nazi that should be canceled.
Seems to me the conservative anti-trans constituency is the one constantly proclaiming the science is settled, wanting to shut down debate, overrule and control science, educators, parents, and doctors using the state, or handwave evidence that doesn't conform to the worldview preferred.
People can debate where that science is at, how those get translated into policy, but the evidence for a more nuanced and complex picture of biology and psychology surrounding sex and gender is not a fabrication:
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This post was edited on 3/22/23 at 9:20 am
Posted on 3/22/23 at 9:18 am to AwgustaDawg
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No one is forcing sexual perversion on children in large numbers.
bullshite.
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A man in a dress reading to kids in a public space is not a sexual perversion.
Case in point. If you believe the above to be true then how can you believe this to be unequivocally true?
The man in a dress reading to children in a public library has a specific agenda. Whatever it may be. Right, wrong or indifferent.
Let's say he simply & innocently wants to educate children with story time at the library. That is great. Fantastic. You are doing a great thing, Tranny Tom.
Why does he feel compelled to wear a dress while reading to children? Is he doing that for the kids? Because I promise you that a bunch of 4-5 years olds don't give a shite. It is meant to confuse them & is his veiled attempt to mold heir minds into leaving that library thinking that a man in a dress is normal behavior. When we both know it is not. Men in dresses is not the societal norm.
Or is he doing that for his own benefit? This is more the reason he chose to wear a dress. The man is getting some sort of perverted self satisfaction or liberation from wearing a dress while reading to kids.
On a side note, let's not pretend that the "man in the dress" is up there doing his best impression of Betty White. I have seen the pics of some of these freaks and they look more like characters from Pan's Labyrinth than they do Mrs. Doubtfire.
But let's get back to this civil argument on whether or not sexual perversion is being forced onto kids.
The simple fact that your daughter claimed to be gay for 2 years is proof that there is societal pressure to force sexually perverse ideals on kids. She was confused, just like every teenager is, which is not her fault. Just like we all were. But the fact that 10 of her close & also confused peers claimed to be gay, thinking THAT was the answer to their confusion, is more likely the reason she made that decision. Not on her own accord. She didn't just pull it out of thin air. By the way, what you did was right. A parent is always supposed to stand by their child & help them work through whatever it is they are going through. Unless your kid is Jeffery Dahmer.
I take ZERO issue with people being gay, cross dressing or what ever the frick they want to do with the spare time. I take major issue with forcing that type of perverse behavior (and by definition it is perverse) onto children's minds that are inherently & easily moldable. You cannot say that there is no sexual perversion being forced onto kids. Because it 100% is. There is no denying it.
This post was edited on 3/22/23 at 9:21 am
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