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re: Famed atheist and biologist calls the idea of more than two genders “utter nonsense”

Posted on 3/22/23 at 12:26 pm to
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 3/22/23 at 12:26 pm to
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Fabricated is too strong a term but I would agree completely that multiple genders is a concept that has only been considered for a short period of time. The concept of gender though, based on societal and cultural norms and expectations, are age old and have been around forever, just as people who do not conform to others identity of them have existed since time out of mind.


Gender - outside of masculine and feminine - is completely fabricated.

The concept of gender originated as a linguistic concept for Latin-derived languages. At its base, gender is simple the outward characteristics of sex. Thus, something can be masculine or feminine. It’s can be on a scale but the scale is limited to two umbrellas of characteristics. There is no third. Gender is also not an object and thus cannot be an identity. You can have a feminine man or a masculine woman but nothing will ever redefine the former as anything but a man or the latter a woman.

So, like I said, modern gender theory is a complete and utter fabrication.
This post was edited on 3/22/23 at 12:29 pm
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
62862 posts
Posted on 3/22/23 at 12:40 pm to
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What you are demanding?


I demand laws to protect children from their insane progressive guardians. I demand a complete 180 on the medical care options and requirements for people wanting to dismember themselves (i.e. let's make sure we aren't enabling a mentally unstable person before cutting their dick or tits off and chemically altering their biology.) I demand protections for girls in schools and athletics. I don't demand but highly suggest gender dysphoric people get the frick over being "misgendered" in daily interactions, especially since it's all made up anyway and by admission, a guy dressing as a woman doesn't present a clear indication of his gender (in other words, pronoun use is almost exclusively based on sex, which you agree there are only two and they are completely and utterly distinct from gender.) A lot of the drama would go away if people stopped being losers about this stuff.

I absolutely demand that you tolerate, embrace, and celebrate my point of view and who I prefer to sleep with, otherwise face social and if I can help it, financial consequences. Just kidding, that's the rabid progressive sect of the trans community.
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 3/22/23 at 12:40 pm to
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RogerTheShrubber



This was you last week wasn't it

LINK

The moment you show me evidence that a man in a dress reading Clifford causes sexual trauma or has the magical power to cause the "gay", I'll buy the first ounce of your pearl clutching.

From my perspective, I'd be much more worried about a kid going on a church retreat or being an altar boy, but my guess is you wont be lined up to assault priests for proselytizing to kids will you? Even though church pedophilia and grooming is a far more pronounced and demonstrated problem in society.
Posted by pelicanpride
Houston
Member since Oct 2007
1299 posts
Posted on 3/22/23 at 12:41 pm to
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who do not self identify as the gender that society would identify them as.


We used to call these people tomboys. I was one of those growing up. I still am, really. The thing about the word tomboy is that it is a title given to a GIRL. Even though a tomboy might be into stereotypical boy stuff, it’s still understood that she is a girl. Are today’s tomboys just calling themselves boys? If so, that’s incredibly regressive and a narrowing of what a woman is allowed to be. We used to be allowed to be into sports, hate shopping, and still be considered women.
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 3/22/23 at 12:43 pm to
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GRTiger


So literally what I said, you want to use the state to impose your POV on everyone, by force if necessary. Thanks for at least being honest.
Posted by UGATiger26
Jacksonville, FL
Member since Dec 2009
9044 posts
Posted on 3/22/23 at 12:46 pm to
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Gender - outside of masculine and feminine - is completely fabricated.

The concept of gender originated as a linguistic concept for Latin-derived languages. At its base, gender is simple the outward characteristics of sex. Thus, something can be masculine or feminine. It’s can be on a scale but the scale is limited to two umbrellas of characteristics. There is no third. Gender is also not an object and thus cannot be an identity. You can have a feminine man or a masculine woman but nothing will ever refined the former as anything but a man or the latter a woman.

So, like I said, modern gender theory is a complete and utter fabrication.


Well and succinctly stated. The concept of "gender" and the PR campaign around it is nothing more than a phantom; dogs chasing tails; just as inane as arguing that there's 500 different descriptors of mattress firmness when in fact, two labels more than suffice: "firm" and "soft."

It's nothing but academia jerkoff material. People like Awgusta could write a 300-page dissertation on it without saying anything of true substance.

All the bluster about "X number of genders" can be boiled down really to one simple word: personality.

A female that likes baseball doesn't become some type of new creature that needs to be labeled as "gender #52;" She's just a girl who likes baseball. Maybe she likes it because her older brother likes it. Maybe she likes it because she likes the idea of hitting things with a club. Maybe she likes it because she thinks Aaron Judge is cute. It doesn't fricking matter. She's still a girl. Not some inhuman monstrosity that the progressive deconstructionists are trying to force upon her.
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
62862 posts
Posted on 3/22/23 at 12:48 pm to
I also want to use the state to impose my POV on sex with minors, rape, murder, tortious acts, etc.

Protecting children and caring for the mentally unstable are certainly points of view, I guess.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260058 posts
Posted on 3/22/23 at 12:50 pm to
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The moment you show me evidence that a man in a dress reading Clifford causes sexual trauma


Show me evidence this movement isn't solely to groom children.
.you can't
This post was edited on 3/22/23 at 12:55 pm
Posted by BigmikeObama
Martha's Vineyard
Member since Mar 2023
3 posts
Posted on 3/22/23 at 12:51 pm to
The perverts and homos have taken over the insanasilum
Posted by UGATiger26
Jacksonville, FL
Member since Dec 2009
9044 posts
Posted on 3/22/23 at 12:53 pm to
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The moment you show me evidence that a man in a dress reading Clifford causes sexual trauma or has the magical power to cause the "gay", I'll buy the first ounce of your pearl clutching.


Since we're not the ones trying to change the paradigm, it only makes sense that the burden of proof falls in the opposite direction.

Show us the evidence that drag queens reading to children in any way, shape, or form increases child literacy or literary appreciation any more than a non drag-queen doing the reading.

And if your response is that storybook hour isn't about promoting child literacy and appreciation for literature then....

This post was edited on 3/22/23 at 12:56 pm
Posted by BigmikeObama
Martha's Vineyard
Member since Mar 2023
3 posts
Posted on 3/22/23 at 12:54 pm to
The Perverts are taking over
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260058 posts
Posted on 3/22/23 at 12:56 pm to
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The perverts and homos have taken over the insanasilum


At some point the gays will separate from the trans youth apologists.

Many are already uncomfortable with how the trannies took over their movement.
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 3/22/23 at 1:08 pm to
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I also want to use the state to impose my POV on sex with minors, rape, murder, tortious acts, etc.



If you cant see the difference between dehumanizing or even criminalizing expressions and thoughts you disagree with, with violating another person's bodily autonomy through violence, don't know what to tell you.



Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
50248 posts
Posted on 3/22/23 at 1:12 pm to
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Seems to me the conservative anti-trans constituency is the one constantly proclaiming the science is settled, wanting to shut down debate, overrule and control science, educators, parents, and doctors using the state, or handwave evidence that doesn't conform to the worldview preferred.


Yes, it is those dastardly right wingers that shut down debate and get anyone canceled that doesn't agree with them.

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People can debate where that science is at, how those get translated into policy, but the evidence for a more nuanced and complex picture of biology and psychology surrounding sex and gender is not a fabrication:


Oh, it absolutely is. Forcing people to accept a false premise, then "debate" that premise, is a classic Marxist move.

Up is down, left is right, war is peace. We get it.

Instead of encouraging kids from ruining their lives for a Progressive fad, we should be treating them.
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 3/22/23 at 1:13 pm to
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Since we're not the ones trying to change the paradigm it only makes sense that the burden of proof falls in the opposite direction.



Most states do not have laws against men in feminine attire or makeup reading books to kids. Hence all the laws and ordinances attempting to now ban it. Proud Boys showing up to try and intimidate people they do.

I'm not the one claiming that men in dresses reading Clifford does harm to children and trying to ban it, you are.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260058 posts
Posted on 3/22/23 at 1:13 pm to
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you cant see the difference between dehumanizing

They did that to themselves.

Yes, they're viewed as less than a functional human.
This post was edited on 3/22/23 at 1:14 pm
Posted by UGATiger26
Jacksonville, FL
Member since Dec 2009
9044 posts
Posted on 3/22/23 at 1:14 pm to
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I'm not the one claiming that men in dresses reading Clifford does harm to children and trying to ban it, you are.


Nice try, "scientist." You want to change the paradigm and start doing something different that will - assumedly - offer more benefits for developing children. Do you understand how science works?

I said to show us the evidence that drag queen story hour is a net positive for a child's literary development over a reader who isn't a drag queen. Why is this programming necessary and beneficial for kids?

Or to phrase it a bit more bluntly: who the frick even decided that drag queens and children's storybook hour should be combined? They clearly are not birds of a feather (except to a pedophile, I suppose...). So what was the goal and intended outcome?

This post was edited on 3/22/23 at 1:25 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260058 posts
Posted on 3/22/23 at 1:15 pm to
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Instead of encouraging kids from ruining their lives for a Progressive fad, we should be treating them


Retard believes keeping adults from destroying children is anti trans..
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
50248 posts
Posted on 3/22/23 at 1:18 pm to
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Most everyone in society conflates them because they have become irrevocably linked. When a trans woman can compete with biological females, or win female centric awards, you are conflating sex and gender. When a progressive monster decides their 4 year old son is a girl and starts hormone blockers, you are conflating sex and gender.


They know this. These people are trained to lie. This is what they do. They make up a fairy tale, claim it is real, then cancel anyone that doesn't conform to their nonsense.

Again, you can't reason with people who would fleece you, jail you, and frick your kids, all because you don't agree with them on bullshite like this.

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Why, when simultaneously the same people are trying to undermine the concept of gender altogether. Is that the goal, to erase all symbols and norms geared around feminism and masculinity? It seems like it, and at that point, the rabid sect of the trans community has become exactly what they claim to hate, intolerant assholes who demand conformance of your lifestyle to their own.


BINGO. It is a RELIGION. Period. Don't worry though, they will tell you that your religion is harmful.....

Well, unless you are a Muslim, then they will leave you alone because they can't bully them.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260058 posts
Posted on 3/22/23 at 1:24 pm to
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BINGO. It is a RELIGION. Period. Don't worry though, they will tell you that your religion is harmful.....


It's an old communist social planning thing, destroy the strong, promote the weak.

The meek will inherit the earth, then destroy it.
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