re: Famed atheist and biologist calls the idea of more than two genders “utter nonsense”

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You deserve an OT award (whatever that is worth) for engaging people who disagree with you with respect.

I do have a question for you. We know that genotype and phenotype find expression in biological sex and outward physical appearance. And I am not saying gender is a genotypical trait.

But you did say that gender is socially and culturally constructed. I guess I am wondering if you think that society and culture just totally winged it in their construction of gender? Or is it remotely possible that the construction of gender was informed or influenced in some way by biology and biological sex?

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I know I said I wouldn't post anymore in this thread, but when someone asks a genuine question, hoping for a genuine answer, I can't sit back and watch while the curious person is fed pure, unadulterated bullshite.

Awgusta is a sophist and a liar. He has little to no interest in truth. All he cares about is swaying people to his side. That's why he can't help but keep posting in this thread. He has to get the last word in, even though he's simply repeating himself at this point.

Awgusta, BTW, you ever care to admit that you were wrong that animal names in Latin-based languages are "almost universally masculine?" Or are you going to try and convince me that a 60% proportion = "almost universal." Of course you will. You can't help yourself, can you?

And, go figure, because I know who and what you are, I'm now 3-for-3 on predicting what you will do/say in this thread.

Anyways, onto the question and Awgusta's response.

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Fascinating question. Damn…. Ima have to think about that for a minute LOL.

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It's only fascinating to Awgusta because everyone here - including you, Bunsbert - realizes that maybe this "blank slate" theory of human gender roles is a little fishy. Your spidey sense is indeed working correctly. But because Awgusta is living in his fabricated fantasyland, your question suddenly becomes a head-scratcher to him.

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It is an interesting idea. Man is the only animal with gender expectations. All other animals merely have sex.

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THIS. IS. A. LIE. That cannot be emphasized enough. It is a made-up "fact" that trans-activists use to try and fool people. In my last post, I mentioned that Awgusta attempts to manipulate the chess pieces when he thinks we aren't looking because he can't win a fair match. This is the kind of stuff I'm talking about.

The idea that sex and gender are fully and completely separate from each other is bullshite. It's simply not true. Can you truly believe that after millions of years of evolution, that males and females haven't developed differing psycho-social behaviors and attributes in addition to their physiological differences? Does that really pass the sniff test to you?

But don't take my word for it. Read what actual behavioral scientists have to say about it.

Sex Differences in Wild Chimpanzee Behavior

Some cliffs notes to spare you some time. But by all means, feel free to peruse at will. I'm not the one trying to deny and ignore science in this thread.

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The role of biological and social influences on sex differences in human child development is a persistent topic of discussion and debate. Given their many similarities to humans, chimpanzees are an important study species for understanding the biological and evolutionary roots of sex differences in human development. In this study, we present the most detailed analyses of wild chimpanzee infant development to date, encompassing data from 40 infants from the long-term study of chimpanzees at Gombe National Park, Tanzania. Our goal was to characterize age-related changes, from birth to five years of age, in the percent of observation time spent performing behaviors that represent important benchmarks in nutritional, motor, and social development, and to determine whether and in which behaviors sex differences occur. Sex differences were found for indicators of social behavior, motor development and spatial independence with males being more physically precocious and peaking in play earlier than females. These results demonstrate early sex differentiation that may reflect adult reproductive strategies. Our findings also resemble those found in humans, which suggests that biologically-based sex differences may have been present in the common ancestor and operated independently from the influences of modern sex-biased parental behavior and gender socialization.

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Sex differences in the formation of coalitions among chimpanzees

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Observations were made of spontaneous coalition formation during aggressive encounters among chimpanzees in a large, semicaptive colony. The analysis of several thousand instances, collected over a period of 5 years, revealed striking differences between adult males and females. Male coalitions changed over time and showed little connection with social bonds, as measured by associative behaviors. Females, in contrast, showed stable coalitions, which strongly overlapped with their social bonds. Also, coalition formation with males and females differed. Females were treated on the basis of their coalitions and bonds with others in the group; males were not.

A single difference in proximate social goals is proposed as an explanation for these and other differences. Male coalitions seem to serve status competition. Males may form flexible coalitions in order to rise in rank, and may adopt the role of group protector in order to maintain a high rank. Female coalitions seem to serve the protection of particular individuals, namely, friends and kin. A similar sex difference has been reported for human coalition formation in experimental game situations.

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Yeah, so what Awgusta said about humans being the only animal with "gender expectations" is a lie. This alone should be enough evidence to laugh him out of this thread.

But wait, there's more!

Even disregarding behavioral science, the logic of his gender-fluid fantasy world is a house of cards. Think about this for two minutes, and see if you can really buy into this ideological paradigm.

People like Awgusta claim that male and female gender roles - behaviors, interests, clothing preferences, etc. that we associate with men and women - are arbitrary and artificial constructions created by humans. Hmm...sounds good so far, right? To some degree, I actually can agree with that. But that's exactly how people get sucked into this venus fly trap of an ideology.

The huge logical problem comes when they try to then use those same behaviors, interests, and preferences to suggest that perhaps little Suzy isn't a girl. Maybe she would feel more comfortable being a boy (or whatever made-up gender they want to invent).

Ding ding! bullshite alarm. If all gender roles are artificially and arbitrarily constructed by humans and society, then how do we even know what "boys" and "girls" truly do prefer, how they act, and how they behave? That is, if there even are such things as "boys" and "girls" to begin with.

If Awgusta and his ilk were logically and intellectually consistent, the only conclusion they would be forced to arrive at is that there really isn't such a thing as "gender" at all; there's only sex. And that all behavioral differences between human beings - male and female - can simply be chalked up to differences in personality.

In a way, that's exactly what everyone arguing against Awgusta in this thread is trying to say. You're a male who wants to wear pink dresses? OK great, knock yourself out. But we're not going to alter reality for you and start accommodating you like you are a woman.