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re: Famed atheist and biologist calls the idea of more than two genders “utter nonsense”
Posted on 3/22/23 at 9:22 am to AwgustaDawg
Posted on 3/22/23 at 9:22 am to AwgustaDawg
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It is simply a matter of folks accustomed to saying and doing anything that popped into their heads with little or no consequence now being held accountable for their words and actions.
But it isn't simply random people hurling wild accusations and insults that are being cancelled, such as the white supremacist distraught over their fading influence in society, in your analogy. In regards to the issue of the day, many of those being cancelled, and the focus of backlash against the cancelation, are well respected people of science with data and research to back up their claims.
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Posted on 3/22/23 at 9:29 am to RogerTheShrubber
Roger watches Keemstar? lmao.
Heard it bowlth ways, bapa.
Heard it bowlth ways, bapa.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 9:34 am to mrservon
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I take ZERO issue with people being gay, cross dressing or what ever the frick they want to do with the spare time. I take major issue with forcing that type of perverse behavior (and by definition it is perverse) onto children's minds that are inherently & easily moldable. You cannot say that there is no sexual perversion being forced onto kids. Because it 100% is. There is no denying it.
I appreciate the discourse. I do not agree 100% but you make some valid points.
I would ask though how is a man in a dress who is reading to children any different than a man in a suit doing the same thing. At best the man in the dress is doing so while dressed as he is to make the point that a man in a dress is not inherently dangerous or sinister...which is a fact as much as the suit the other man is wearing is any indication of the same. I would posit that the ones I have seen are actually making a man in a dress appear to be a clown of sorts to kids. As you say they mostly do not look like Ms. Doubtfire. Kids are not as stupid as we like to think...most of them probably take away that a man in a dress is a silly notion but the story was good. If, however, they do indeed perceive that a man in a dress is not inherently evil, coupled with the fact that men in dresses do exist and they may encounter one in the future despite their parents best efforts otherwise, is it not possible that their take away is that a man in a dress is no more intimidating than a man in a suit? How is that dangerous?
Children do indeed have pliable minds. That is part and parcel of gender norms...men wear suits, women wear dresses. This is not always the case though, some of those kids may actually be one of the few people who do not accept the identity you and I prescribe them. How is it dangerous for that kid to see an adult, who is mostly clown like and not intimidating, doing something that he himself has thought about? We know that people do not always accept what society dictates for them...we know that there is nothing inherently dangerous about this...how is it dangerous for a kid to be exposed to this and perhaps avoid some of the mental anguish it no doubt can lead to?
To surmise how is it dangerous to kids who willingly accept others definition of them or kids who do not?
Posted on 3/22/23 at 9:37 am to mrservon
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The man in a dress
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Tranny Tom.
Why do people on this board constantly conflate these two things?
Drag show participants range from straight to gay to trans.
I mean RuPaul evoked a huge debate in the drag community a few years back when he said that he thinks that if someone starts transitioning they should no longer participate in drag shows.
Also, how about learning to parent??? If you have some moral objection to a person in a dress reading Clifford to kids, don't take them to the library for that story hour. My guess though is the same people that decry shite like this and want to use the state to control it, have no problem with your children going to mass or on a youth pastor retreat, even though statistically they are much more likely to be deliberately sexually groomed and abused by a priest than attending a drag show story hour.
But Im not out here demanding the state ban children from church youth retreats, being altar boys, or attending mass. And I would guess you would do mental backflips trying to justify the latter...
Posted on 3/22/23 at 9:38 am to facher08
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But it isn't simply random people hurling wild accusations and insults that are being cancelled, such as the white supremacist distraught over their fading influence in society, in your analogy. In regards to the issue of the day, many of those being cancelled, and the focus of backlash against the cancelation, are well respected people of science with data and research to back up their claims.
No doubt...and it has happened to that class of people since time out of mind. Famously in many cases of the church literally canceling someone with sound scientific data to support their position. At the end of the day though while the individual suffers the science, if correct, has always been the victor. The cancelation as you describe is lamentable but it has been part of human nature since the beginning and is unlikely to change as it is necessary for the survival of the species to ward off the charlatan who would have us believe anything.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 9:46 am to Bronc
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Why do people on this board constantly conflate these two things?
Drag show participants range from straight to gay to trans.
I mean RuPaul evoked a huge debate in the drag community a few years back when he said that he thinks that if someone starts transitioning they should no longer participate in drag shows.
Also, how about learning to parent??? If you have some moral objection to a person in a dress reading Clifford to kids, don't take them to the library for that story hour. My guess though is the same people that decry shite like this and want to use the state to control it, have no problem with your children going to mass or on a youth pastor retreat, even though statistically they are much more likely to be deliberately sexually groomed and abused by a priest than attending a drag show story hour.
But Im not out here demanding the state ban children from church youth retreats, being altar boys, or attending mass. And I would guess you would do mental backflips trying to justify the latter...
Damn dude...bringing the truth LOL.
Another anecdote. My wife and I were in the redlight district of Amsterdam once early on a Tuesday morning. Adult toy stores line the streets and have display windows showing their wares. School kids 6 and 8 years old walking by these displays without a moment's notice. Some of those kids actually emerging from the doorway of brothels. Fast forward 20 years later and we are on the same street, accompanied by friends who are most definitely not accustomed to such things and their 2 young daughters, one 15 and the other 10. Those 2 girls were utterly fascinated by what they saw in those same store windows....could not take their eyes off of it and could not stop mentioning it. There is nothing at all evil about those stores or the brothels on that street. It is all about one of the most important aspects of human existence. Right up there with shelter and food and water. Those 2 young American girls, amazed at the things they may have heard of but did not know existed, were none the worse for wear. Neither were those school kids walking that street every day. The damage is not in the exposure it is in the secreting and hiding....and the guilt and self recrimination.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 10:02 am to AwgustaDawg
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The cancelation as you describe is lamentable but it has been part of human nature since the beginning and is unlikely to change as it is necessary for the survival of the species to ward off the charlatan who would have us believe anything.
But in this regard, I'd argue the charlatan is the one doing the canceling, and that is why he makes efforts to silence dissent, regardless of the merits of opposition arguments.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 10:43 am to Bronc
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Why do people on this board constantly conflate these two things?
My Apologies.
You are right, Chris the CrossDresser sounds more appropriate name for the anecdotal man in a dress.
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I mean RuPaul evoked a huge debate in the drag community a few years back when he said that he thinks that if someone starts transitioning they should no longer participate in drag shows.
And in that case, I would have to side with RuPaul. It's indeed an odd hill to die on but, he makes a very valid point.
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Also, how about learning to parent??? If you have some moral objection to a person in a dress reading Clifford to kids, don't take them to the library for that story hour.
I do know how to parent my child & I would never knowingly bring my child to that particular story hour.
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My guess though is the same people that decry shite like this and want to use the state to control it, have no problem with your children going to mass or on a youth pastor retreat, even though statistically they are much more likely to be deliberately sexually groomed and abused by a priest than attending a drag show story hour. But Im not out here demanding the state ban children from church youth retreats, being altar boys, or attending mass. And I would guess you would do mental backflips trying to justify the latter...
You are connecting a whole lotta dots here while missing the entire point of argument. And very angrily doing so without making any relevant point to the discussion. I never said anything about state control over anything. Nor do I believe the state should. I simply argued the statement that "sexual perversion is in no way being forced upon children in our society". Because it 100% is. And I think I used the examples the UGA fan brought up to argue my point.
Are there many examples & cases of sexual abuse in Christian institutions? Most definitely. But same examples can be found across all religious institutions.
Your comparison of Christian/Religious institutions to Drag Show Story Hour & a MAN IN A frickING DRESS reading Clifford to children & which one instills better societal values is absolutely comical. How you arrived there from some of the points I made in my earlier post is beyond me, but thanks for the laugh.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 11:11 am to AwgustaDawg
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Why do we need a cultural and societal role for individuals (gender) when we have a biological fact to identify their sex?
Who said anything about roles in society. Nature and biology define those rolls more than any human based construct. Male and female have distinct differences that the other can never have. These differences determine strengths, weaknesses, societal functions that cannot be disputed.
How would one describe one of only two biological sexes of the human species without assigning a gender or making everyone think you are on crack?
Male/Female, man/woman, boy/girl. That’s how.
Cutting things off your body doesn’t change your sex so why should it change your scientific designation?
Why don’t you believe in science?
BTW- forcing gender ideology is just as much a social construct as anything else. It’s more flawed because it attempts to ignore basic science. If nature took its full course the Alpha male would be at the top of the food chain and all of this gender silliness would end instantly.
This post was edited on 3/22/23 at 11:28 am
Posted on 3/22/23 at 11:20 am to facher08
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But in this regard, I'd argue the charlatan is the one doing the canceling, and that is why he makes efforts to silence dissent, regardless of the merits of opposition arguments.
I would agree that they work both sides of the street....
Posted on 3/22/23 at 11:21 am to mrservon
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Your comparison of Christian/Religious institutions to Drag Show Story Hour & a MAN IN A frickING DRESS reading Clifford to children & which one instills better societal values is absolutely comical. How you arrived there from some of the points I made in my earlier post is beyond me, but thanks for the laugh.
lol
Well, I would 100% argue a person wearing a dress and reading Clifford is far, far, far less harmful to society than organized religion, which has been responsible for more hatred, death, conflict, and ingrained ignorance than any other concept or institution in the history of mankind.
And ironically, Richard Dawkins, the one people in here want to hold up as some Trump card, wrote several books arguing just that.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 11:22 am to longtooth
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Why don’t you believe in science?
Progressivism is anti scientific (anti positivity)
They know deep inside they're playing fairy tale games. It's social retardation.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 11:32 am to Bronc
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Well, I would 100% argue a person wearing a dress and reading Clifford is far, far, far less harmful to society than organized religion, which has been responsible for more hatred, death, conflict, and ingrained ignorance than any other concept or institution in the history of mankind.
And ironically, Richard Dawkins, the one people in here want to hold up as some Trump card, wrote several books arguing just that.
No attempt was made to dodge that. I put it right there in the title of the thread.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 11:33 am to Bronc
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Why do people on this board constantly conflate these two things?
Most everyone in society conflates them because they have become irrevocably linked. When a trans woman can compete with biological females, or win female centric awards, you are conflating sex and gender. When a progressive monster decides their 4 year old son is a girl and starts hormone blockers, you are conflating sex and gender.
If you want people to stop conflating biological sex and gender, stop bashing people over the head anytime they don't conflate them. If gender truly is made up nonsense, then why base anything on it at all? At one point we stopped basing things on sex and started basing things on "perceived" gender. Why, when simultaneously the same people are trying to undermine the concept of gender altogether. Is that the goal, to erase all symbols and norms geared around feminism and masculinity? It seems like it, and at that point, the rabid sect of the trans community has become exactly what they claim to hate, intolerant assholes who demand conformance of your lifestyle to their own.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 11:41 am to High C
I’m sure this will cause a frenzy amongst the well adjusted Redditors.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 11:45 am to Bronc
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Well, I would 100% argue a person wearing a dress and reading Clifford is far, far, far less
They're fricking kids.
Your movement is 100% about converting messed up children into your fairy tale world
Posted on 3/22/23 at 11:47 am to AwgustaDawg
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Those 2 young American girls, amazed at the things they may have heard of but did not know existed, were none the worse for wear.
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Neither were those school kids walking that street every day. The damage is not in the exposure it is in the secreting and hiding....and the guilt and self recrimination.
You're a child groomer.
This post was edited on 3/22/23 at 11:49 am
Posted on 3/22/23 at 12:01 pm to AwgustaDawg
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I appreciate the discourse. I do not agree 100% but you make some valid points
And that is OK. You don't have to agree with everything I think, feel, say or believe. You have that right & so do i. That is the beauty of our country.
Let me be clear. I don't believe, agree with nor condone Drag Show Story Hour. That means I will never personally support nor attend any Drag or LGBTQ+ festivities. That does not make me a bad nor intolerant person. It's simply just not my cup of tea & I really don't care to learn any more about it. I prefer to spend my time in other ways.
What I take issue with, and what I believe most people take issue with, is that people who feel the same as me are constantly beat over the head with it with Drag Show Story hours, TV commercials, children's cartoons, political posturing, DEI & the like. It has infiltrated all walks of daily life. To deny the fact that it has is either self serving or ignorant.
And those same folks, because they really don't give a shite & just want to go about their days to carve out a living for their families, those same folks are vilified & called intolerant, racist, xenophobic, transphobic & every other name under the sun, simply because we don't agree with the flavor of, or care to eat the dish that is being served from the LGBTQ+ community. It doesn't make us any of those things.
Ok. we get it. You like to dress up & pretend you are a woman or a man. Good for you. Now can we move on to more important matters? Why in the hell do you demand so much attention for it? Why do you demand we all be so proud of you & your actions?
If Bronc wants to go buttfrick a guy dressed up as Pickachu while wearing a Xena the Warrior Princess outfit, then go for it Bronc. Just be prepared for the reactions that you get when you parade your pride around to the world that you just got gang banged by a group of Teletubbies. Your mailman may look at you a little bit differently. Just because you chose to partake in letting the Teletubbies run a train on you, does not make you a victim & definitely does not make your mailman intolerant or a horrible person.
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To surmise how is it dangerous to kids who willingly accept others definition of them or kids who do not?
I don't believe what you described in your post is dangerous at all. But that is not the reality of what is happening. What is dangerous is that it is being forced onto kids and into our daily lives as societally normal behavior. When it is indeed not.
Ask yourself why are all of a sudden, Drag Shows for kids are more regularly occurring? Why not keep it with adults? Do kids tip better? Are they better listeners? Why direct this message towards children as if this is the norm? It is not normal no matter how bad they want it to be. It is a very very very small sub-sect of our society. When everything becomes societal norm, then nothing is societally normal.
To surmise, if people want to bring their kids to that. Fine. Just don't try to force it as societally normal & then shout down those who disagree.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 12:14 pm to GRTiger
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Most everyone in society conflates them because they have become irrevocably linked.
That comment was about drag and trans. They aren't interchangeable. They have trans drag performers, but most are just straight or gay men.
But you bring up another conflation this board struggles with, which is sex and gender. Including the OP that quotes Dawkins as claiming to say one thing(Gender is binary) when he actually said the opposite(gender is non-binary, biological sex is binary).
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what they claim to hate, intolerant assholes who demand conformance of your lifestyle to their own.
I mean is that not exactly what people on this board are demanding? What you are demanding? What conservatives are demanding when they do things like ban books for wrong-think, pass bathroom laws to override business owners and city ordinances, force the cancellation of certain classes and degrees, and legislate the types of clothes that must be worn to read books to kids? When they constantly try to conflate trans or trans support = pedo/groomer as a means to create a default negative association and dehumanize.
You can just....not take your kid to the restaurant or library that has drag story time, be a smartass when someone wants you to use certain pronouns. Sort of how I choose not to go to political rallies, not eat at that shitty restaurant, or chose to leave the Catholic Church cause of their inability to adequately address their rampant pedophilia and grooming. I'm not out there calling for the ban of Trump rallies or Catholic mass and youth retreats though. Calling every priest a groomer/Pedo as default, every Catholic a Pedo supporter. But the people like so many in these discussions sure do love to do just that...
Posted on 3/22/23 at 12:25 pm to Bronc
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What you are demanding?
Stop sexualizing kids or get your arse whipped.
There have been drag shows for decades, no one gives a frick what you clowns do in adult company.
This post was edited on 3/22/23 at 12:27 pm
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