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re: F. King Alexander is responsible for LSU holistic requirements and more minority students
Posted on 8/22/25 at 4:35 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 8/22/25 at 4:35 pm to lsupride87
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after everyone in the twerking thread seems to be clueless
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The holistic requirements and push for black students was from F king Alexander.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t the twerking chick a white girl (stripper, not a student) from NOLA?
This post was edited on 8/22/25 at 6:21 pm
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Posted on 8/22/25 at 4:35 pm to lsupride87
100%!!! Tate did a lot of good to mive us past the F King years but didn't undo this...and it's a lot to undo. The campus overcrowding, lack of housing, general subpar crowd.... all F King.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 4:42 pm to lsupride87
So much white pride in this thread
Posted on 8/22/25 at 4:46 pm to DrrTiger
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Average national ACT score has dropped for 7 straight years but LSU’s somehow gets higher each year. What a wild coincidence for a test optional school.
College admissions aren’t a random sample. The schools can choose to admit students with high ACTs.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 4:58 pm to lsupride87
It will take decades for LSU to recover from F. King.
A lot of the student body now lacks the intelligence to pour piss out of a boot with the directions on the heel.
A lot of the student body now lacks the intelligence to pour piss out of a boot with the directions on the heel.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 5:10 pm to Ingeniero
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I made this same argument in the twerk thread. The response was that freshmen aren't required to turn in ACT scores anymore so it skews higher. I'd be willing to accept that if it weren't for the fact that LSU's retention and graduation rates went up under Tate too.
I don’t think you can draw any conclusions about how test-optional skews the data based on graduation rates. Not yet.
LSU first became “test optional” in the 2020 admissions cycle. I don’t know the exact date, but I assume it was March or later considering that’s when all of the shutdowns started. I would expect that a good percentage of - I would even say most - applicants had already submitted test scores at that point.
If you look at the average incoming freshman ACT scores, there was actually a slight drop in the 2020 entering freshman class followed by a big increase in 2021:
2018: 25.5
2019: 25.6
2020: 25.4
2021: 26.0
2022: 25.5
2023: 26.5
2024: 27.5
Meanwhile, there are no graduation rates published beyond the 2020 class. 4-year graduation rates:
2018: 47.4%
2019: 45.5%
2020: 46.7%
2021+: TBD
The latest 5-year graduation rates are from the class of 2019, and 6-year from the class of 2018.
So without having access to LSU’s internal data, I’m not sure how anybody can conclude that the higher average ACT scores in recent years correspond with higher graduation rates. That remains to be seen. It’s entirely possible that we see graduation rates tank for the 2021-2024 classes (and beyond).
I think the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 5:15 pm to chalmetteowl
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Our state university should reflect the demographics of our state
I think it should reflect the demographics of college achieving students within the applicant pool.
There’s many out of state applicants. There’s also applicants that are not college material. That will skew the idea that it should reflect the state demographics.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 5:22 pm to Fat Harry
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Tulane is the academic flagship of the state.
No, it isn’t.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 5:31 pm to TheWalrus
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I believe those two opinions can be reconciled by the belief that people scoring 13s on the ACT should not be going to college period.
When I enrolled as a freshman at LSU the admission requirements were HS diploma or GED, and you had to have taken the ACT. It didn’t matter what your score was. You just had to take it.
We had some knuckleheads e but pretty much everyone was ok.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 5:33 pm to CocomoLSU
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t the twerking chick a white girl (stripper) from NOLA?
1. She’s not a student. She’s friends with an up and coming local rapper.
2. Neither she nor the rapper were employed by the university. The rapper was friends with the DJ LSU hired, and they planned a surprise appearance thinking it might make a viral moment, which it did.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 5:48 pm to lsupride87
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The holistic requirements and push for black students was from F king Alexander.
What exactly are holistic requirements?
Posted on 8/22/25 at 5:51 pm to Privateer 2007
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Yes, if they cannot compete academically.
How hard is it to compete academically at LSU? It’s a pretty average state school.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 6:11 pm to crazy4lsu
All the retards that shouldn’t have been admitted wash out quickly
Posted on 8/22/25 at 6:28 pm to lsupride87
quote:Maybe because he continued it?
How people are attributing this to Tate is wild
Posted on 8/22/25 at 6:30 pm to Earnest_P
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you believe that this is the most intelligent freshman class in the history of LSU (in the ACT era)?
Took my HS senior to LSU’s preview day earlier this month. The way that the numbers of higher ACT scores happens, even with wholistic (which I agree is dumb) is by sheer numbers. You know how many applicants LSU has these days? 56,000 last year. And will have more this year. For roughly 8.000 spots. That’s twice the number of applicants they would get 5-10 years ago. 56,000 is insane. So even w some doing no score, the average scores of the kids they take has gotten higher because of dramatically increased competition and a more talented overall pool. So yeah. It has gone up
Posted on 8/22/25 at 6:34 pm to lsupride87
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The holistic requirements and push for black students was from F king Alexander. For fricks sake the internet exists. How people are attributing this to Tate is wild
Not like crTate did anything to fix it. He only leaned into it even harder. In his four years the percentage of white incoming freshmen went from 63% to 57% to 54% to 50%.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 6:36 pm to scott8811
quote:Like what? How did academic ranking fare under Tate?
Tate did a lot of good to mive us past the F King years
quote:Uh, when you run something for four years, you own it. He knew all of this and kept it going. Tate is just as culpable.
The campus overcrowding, lack of housing, general subpar crowd.... all F King
Posted on 8/22/25 at 6:39 pm to Celtic Tiger
quote:but do you think LSU would have that many applicants if there was no Common App?
You know how many applicants LSU has these days? 56,000 last year
Posted on 8/22/25 at 6:40 pm to GreenRockTiger
No clue. But a deeper pool is a deeper pool. And the average score has increased quite a bit. Gpa as well.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 6:43 pm to Celtic Tiger
quote:I’ve had 3 children enter LSU since 2021 and I think their stats are lies
And the average score has increased quite a bit. Gpa as well.
but that’s just my opinion 
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